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"/lit/ - Literature" is 4chan's board for the discussion of books, authors, and literature.

Welcome to /lit/
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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Is there any chance that the Catholic and Orthodox churches will ever reunite?
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White Supremacy
henry miller with a broad
Highbrow books on White Supremacy? Nothing written by idiots, preferably books which offer solutions/plans for white society and the problems it faces.
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Leviathan_by_Thomas_Hobbes
What are some books that are pro-totalitarianism? I'm interesting on learning more about the mindset of people in the past.
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/wg/- cozy writing edition
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For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc [Open]

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Note to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:
>IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED A CURSORY PROOFREAD, DO NOT EXPECT TO BE TREATED KINDLY. EDIT YOUR WORK FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR BEFORE POSTING.

Traditional Publishing
Pros:
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers
Cons:
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Finding Agents
>https://querytracker.net/join.php
>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^・o・^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs [Open]
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

For advertising
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg [Open]

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/
>https://penguin.jos.ht/
>https://beta.openai.com/playground

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
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Intro books to philosophy
shiba-inu-dancing-dog
Which books are good layman introduction to philosophical topics that cover well enough the field and give an overal idea of what ideas are discussed and historical topics for fun, that aren't college autism tier 1500 pages of like western entire philosophical canon.

Something around 300-500 pages intro would be good enough.
Not seeking to have a college level understanding, only just enough to sustain a basic conversation about philosophy with a PHD professor.

Something like 2-3, maybe 4 books would be enough.

Thanks.
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>be me just now
>be chilling in the library
>be reading on my phone
>Azn kid next to me is wearing a mask and headphones and enthusiastically playing StarCraft
>playing StarCraft in the library?
Why?
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I have never read a book written by a w*man.
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I've read
>lolita
>pale fire
>despair
which of his should i read next? I really like everything about his style
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Froglet
What's the best website, computer program, or phone app to improve my vocabulary?

Pic unrelated: frogs have a small vocabulary
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>three years ago depressed miserable and want to die
>decide to read the canon of all western philosophy to find purpose and meaning in life
>now, have read all western Philosophy
>still miserable and want to die
Now what.

No I will not have sex.
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How do I make the writing process less unbearable?
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I wrote this book, called Salvation on Peril Island. I wrote the whole book while drunk. Here's the premise: A plane crash-lands on a paradise desert island in 1983. This one incel survives and has a time of his life, having Lost-like adventures and fucking hot babes. Meanwhile, in near future, where the USA splits into two because of Trump, a woman comes home to experience some nostalgia high, just to notice her twin brother is missing. Mystery ensues! Here's the link, buy it you fuckers https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09F3PDJG9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Salvation+on+Peril+Island&qid=1630419380&s=books&sr=1-1
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holy shit heidegger was such a chud
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Books on Music Theory
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What's your favorite/best music theory books? Feel free to critique any books that you like or dislike as you would with other works of educational, or "how-to", literature. I've noticed that many books are put on a pedestal when they are undeserving of it, simply because they might fit into a niche category of some small subset of music theory, as well as because they are mostly read by people who do not know what good literature is (since their specialty obviously tends to relate more to music itself).

>What are the best books to start understanding music theory?
>What are the best intermediate and advanced music theory books?
>Which music theory books make the best insights about music that most people who are into music theory wouldn't already know?

Pic related is often recommended a lot. Personally, it is a great intermediate book. It is too dry and expects the reader to already understand certain music theory concepts, so I do not personally believe it is good for beginners.
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It's out, did you read it.
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Antonio Vidal Rolland - La lectura (20thC)
some paintings of reading.
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s-l1600
>translator makes shit up
>gets published by Penguin Classics

lmao
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If he were alive today would he have written a history about the nazis?
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Has anybody read satantango ? I do not have any interest watching the movie because i do not know how to analyze one and i don't have enough cinematographic knowledge to enjoy it. I'm reading celine's bibliography right know and would like to read more relativist """""depressive""""" litterature.

By the way if anybody happens to have good recommendations to get in slow cinema i'll take everything
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Have you ever read in public to impress women?
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/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General
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Sacrificial Altar Edition

Previous Thread:>>20810411

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS

>Archive
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
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Best book in Horror’s Call?
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>There are people here who consider Shakespeare to be a fantasy writer
Why? Do they not read his works and just go off by what other people say? It’s depressing to see one of the greatest English writers to be lowered as a “fantasy” writer.
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Heidegger the Gommie
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Reading Being and Time, the Question Concerning Technology, etc., and I'm starting to question if the left-right divide truly exists. Yeah, I know Heidegger hated Marxism, seeing it alongside with Americanism as a force for reducing man as a mere productive means to an end, the world as a standing reserve to be exploited by technology, etc. But reading what Heidegger had hoped for in Nazi Germany, where mankind is in control of technology instead of being dominated by technology, with every worker knowing what, how, and why they are doing what they are doing as part of one authentic collective... it sounds like Marx's wet dream in The German Ideology lol. These chuds are just communists but with extra Jew hate.
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Schelling...
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Schelling seems to be highly neglected in the Anglosphere. Is he the forgotten end-boss of philosophy? Does he have systematic tendencies like Hegel with the capacity to incorporate mythology but without the fixation on reason? Are there panentheist readings of Schelling? What is his take on Being and Becoming?
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Gene Wolfe thread
ThereAreDoors
Who has read Wolfe's lesser-known novels? I am thinking of reading pic related after being familiar with most of his acclaimed works. Any you recommend?
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Are there any books that are similar to the grand theft auto games?
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What other Irish writers are/were catholic or were raised catholic? I’m sick of being excited about a writer being Irish just to find out he’s a fucking Protestant. I get that the King James Bible is legitimately great literature but Catholic values are literally the greatest ones humanity has ever devised
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What's the point of reading pessimism?
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The Holy Bible Is an Incredible Work of /lit/
Holy Bible
The depths and layers are astounding beyond expression, the more you dig and find them. It can be read 50 times cover to cover and barely the surface be scratched. What are your findings?
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sapiens
Why does this book get so much shit here? I thought it was pretty much spot on and offered an eloquent history of our species
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Do you pass the filter?
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Shelf Thread
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Don't see a shelf thread. Post 'em! Shit on anons' shelves or praise anons' shelves! It don't matter. Just show us your collection!
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download
based book to learn about france like napoleon and shit?
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What's her name?
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How would you rate Bantam Classics?
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Generally speaking, are they on par with Oxford World’s Classics/Penguin Classics or are they more similar to Signet Classics/Wordsworth’s Classics?
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Rate my haul the last month or so
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Hegel has ruined literature for me. After reading The Phenomenology of Spirit I just blow through regular literature like it's nothing and feel left with very little. It lacks the density, the complexity, it doesn't provoke my thought anywhere near what just one chapter of PoS provokes in me.
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/lit/ reads Ulysses
joyce
"Last man standing claims the permanent name 'Penelope's Bloom' with whatever trip" edition, and it's gonna be me

Ithaca: 22403 words; 6 days
Penelope: 24059 words; 6 days

Last thread >>20770873
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What is the must-read Christian apocrypha?
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>“The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

>― Arthur Schopenhauer

DAMN Arthur, how to BTFO'd America in one single paragraph
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This book literally made me go insane. After reading it I dropped out of college, got addicted to over-the-counter painkillers (I'm clean now) and got raped in an alleyway. I lost years of my life due to this book.
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What books best describes the chaos or urban city living?
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/&amp/ general
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Submit to &amp magazine to have your work featured in the upcoming issue. You can email your submissions to [email protected], or submit via the website: https://lampbylit.com/magazine/submit/

Read the July issue here: https://lampbylit.com/magazine/issue-014/

Also, /&amp/ general. Any favourite pieces from previous issues? Any pieces from previous issues you’d like to critique or discuss? If you’ve already submitted something for the next one, tell us about it. If you’re still planning on submitting, then tell us about your ideas and what you’ve been working on.
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Books on how medieval culture would have developed if it wasn’t interrupted by the soulless renaissance?
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What to read to become completely detached/emotionless
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Not gonna blogpost, so I keep it short:
I have extreme emotional issues, mainly anger and hate. An entitled cunt skipped the line in an airport in front of me, it happened four months ago and I am still fuming that she got away with it, that she is a cunt and I'm such a huge cuck I didn't kick her teeth in then and there. One of many examples I think of multiple times daily and that agitate me daily. Lately I noticed heart palpitations, my resting pulse is 110-120 probably from my 24/7 emotional distress and fear I'll just drop day sooner rather than later if this keeps going on. 100% unironically, I'll die of a heart attack before 30 if I keep living like this, I am 27 now.
To the point: I am looking for books that will help or guide me to becoming completely detached from my emotions, ideally before I fucking die or kill someone.
I found "On Anger" by Seneca, sadly not a physical copy, but it'll have to do. But is it even a good book? People online seem happy with it. Do you know any other books that will please fucking help me? I am pretty new to reading, so nothing too compliated, I never went to university and have no background knowledge of philosophy/psychology etc.
Is starting with On Anger by Seneca a good place? What about Meditations by Markus Aurelius?
I judt googled my issue and found that a lot of pages reccomend those Greek stoics. Would you too and if yes, which books? If I get no replies I will start with On Anger tonight and hope my attention span isn't completely shot.
Thanks.
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Trying to find a confirmation saint...
bernard
So, I'm looking forward to starting RCIA soon and I've been on a bit of a journey to find a saint I can really relate to or has shown virtues which I really seek to have in myself. So far I've looked at Sts Kolbe and Padre Pio but, although they were great saints, they didn't exactly exemplify the specific perculiarities or virtues I have or want to gain for myself. At least not to the degree that I want.

So, only familiarity part I'm looking for a very introspective and self judgmental Saint. One who everyday constantly looked at people around him as well as himself and tried to understand humanity and himself better so that he could not only be of benefit and help others but also relate to others better. Like, almost a therapist or psychologist type saint who constantly looks into himself to see the root of his actions, understand himself and then remedy it and perhaps he wrote about his observations and gave remedies to it.

On the other hand if that isn't out there then I would like a saint who was known to be a guy people could rely on be it physical, intellectual or spiritual advice and support. Like, "oh, I don't know how to figure out this problem. Oh, wait St X can help. Hey Saint X can you help me with this problem." Or "We really need to get rid of this but it's gonna take some time and a lot of effort, oh Saint X is strong, he will be able to solve the issue in no time." Or "I wish I could get over this issue, oh wait, Saint X always has ways to help me get through my issues. Perhaps I could ask him for help."

Even a saint who was unjudgmental and sat along druggies, homeless and the lowest of society without looking down on them but instead being an aid to them, a hear that will hear their cries and wouldn't walk past them on the street with a smug look or not even looking at them at all.

Any reccs? The more the merrier. I have a whole year to choose and I don't mind reading about 100 saints if I have to in order to help me choose.
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Plato, Heidegger, and the Relationship Between Mathematics and Poetry
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There was a fruitful discussion that broke out in a bait thread about Evola and Heidegger that, unfortunately, was interrupted by a janny deleting the thread.So I am going to rebirth it here by discussing the relationship between philosophy and poetry, philosophy and mathematics, and the tension between the two as seen in Plato's works and was rediscovered in Heidegger's works. This will be an effortpost with explicit references to works, so it will not suffer the same fate as the other thread.

Briefly, in works like Plato's Republic and Plato's Ion, there's an ambiguity in Plato's seeming hostility towards poetry, where he acknowledges it as divine, confirms that it is important, and even engages in it himself (through literary device), but condemns its irrationality. Plato can't live with or without poetry. Meanwhile, after initially dismissing Plato with a dated, superficial reading (that was standard from the German idealism days), the later Heidegger returns to Plato with fresh eyes to finally refine his critique of the history of philosophy and its concealment of Being. Namely, poetry is ultimately connected to nature, whose whims were satisfied by mathematics as a means to an end. But with Plato and beyond, mathematics becomes THE self-grounding mode of Being, the pathway to glimpse at the realm of the forms, laying the grounds for foundations for Western civilization to be engrossed in the world of technique. Cthonic poetry is stifled in the quest for technocratic efficiency.

Here's an interesting, but taxing to read essay: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.153.1031&rep=rep1&type=pdf
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alanwatts
Does his alcoholism negate his teachings?
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bkwsk
How did he pull so much pussy? He looked like a gorilla with aids.
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If you could interview one author of your choice, living or dead, who would you interview and what questions would you ask him?
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is poe /lit/ approved?
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Who's your favorite Asian writer?
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What's with this phenomenon where some writers proudly claim they don't read much? That's like a chef that doesn't eat
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Rare books that shouldn't be?
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Haven't heard a peep in English from Petrarch's Africa apart from a brief period of time it was available on archive.org... did anybody have a chance to get it? Original filename "petrarchsafrica0000petr.pdf"

2.
"Italian dynasties : the great families of Italy from the Renaissance to the present day" by Edward Burman, 1989... alright you can get a copy for $25 on ebay but it's still rare, being the only handbook on the subject (unless you want to read 4 or 5 books each of which at most treat 3 families)

Any other anomalies do you know?
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/clg/ - Classical Languages General
ATENEVM
>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·
>>20807393

>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·
https://mega dot nz/folder/9o4QEIIK#P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

>Mέγα τὸ ANE
https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg

All claims about language learning methods must be backed up with the language in question.

Ignore the trolls.
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On not making it
gary-lucas-busy-being-born-Cover-Art
What makes you think that you can't make it, anon? What convinces you that your writings, your art, your work..will never amount to anything?
Be sincere lads. Let it all out.
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Opinions on Lorca's plays? Hackett released a compilation of 4 plays which looks interesting.
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Why is female poetry and prose so bad and embarrassing? I cant pinpoint it but when I read something written by a woman I just cringe. Its always terrible. Whats their problem?
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Russell btfos /lit/
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Books about persuasion/arguments
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What are the best books for learning how to win arguments, get better at persuading others, writing expository essays, etc.?
I've seen many books floating around like pic related, but I am not sure whether they're like those "business" books for normies which seem nice initially, but lack substance when you actually read it.
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Define "qualia"
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Kneel Gayman
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Thoughts on this author's books?
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I was once reading a book in a park and a dude passed by with a girl and said, "Reading some Shakespeare?" and he and the girl laughed and kept walking. I said nothing as I tried to understand the apparent putdown. I wasn't reading Shakespeare.

WTF was this...? Like drive-by anti-intellectualism? I think I was reading a hardcover copy of Inherent Vice with the jacket off, so it looked pretty nondescript. Did he think I was making a spectacle of myself by reading on a park bench...if so, that's fucking ridiculous.

Maybe others might have had a witty rejoinder at the ready, but I was too baffled, and besides, I don't consider it a good idea to talk back to rude strangers unless absolutely necessary.

Why has this memory stuck with me after all these years? I don't know! It was such a beautiful day, I was on the bench reading, and all was well, and suddenly I'm the object of someone's incoherent joke...

I guess reading in public was too obvious a demonstration of readerly habits for this insecure fellow and his friend?
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Wtf is this?
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This is so fake and gay.
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why did she do it bros...
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I started off writing junk fiction online then (somehow) got a large following of coomers and suspiciously wealthy furries throwing their money at me for what is basically terrible fanfiction.
Meanwhile I make less than a tenth of that amount on what I actually want to write and get published. How did we end up here?
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Thoughts on Richard Brautigan?
Brautigan
>And so it went on until it was exhausted and we went and bought another fifth of port wine and returned to the trees and Benjamin Franklin.

>Now it was close to sunset and the earth was beginning to cool off in the correct manner of eternity and office girls were returning like penguins from Montgomery Street. They looked at us hurriedly and mentally registered: winos.

>Then the two artists talked about committing themselves to an insane asylum for the winter. They talked about how warm it would be in the insane asylum, with television, clean sheets on soft beds, hamburger gravy over mashed potatoes, a dance once a week with the lady kooks, clean clothes, a locked razor and lovely young student nurses.

>Ah, yes, there was a future in the insane asylum. No winter spent there could be a total loss.
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>When Wallace Stevens was on the committee to elect candidates for the American Society of Arts and Letters he took one look at a photo of Gwendolyn Brooks and said, "Who is that nigger?"

Is Stevens, dare I say... /ourguy/?
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1984 is now a YA book. What changes?
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Can I read his antisemitic pamphlets in any order or should I go by publishing order?
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Shakespeare was so genius, he BTFO psychiatric medicine 400 years before it was invented.
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what do you think of reddit's top 50
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Elric
holy shit this is really good
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>finally get hired as a boring article writer
>start missing deadlines because this shit is boring and beneath me
Fuck, I'm not going to make it am I?
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Gregory Palamas
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Why are so many people on this board shilling Ibn Arabi and Shankara but no one talks about Gregory Palamas?
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Stack thread
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These are the books on my desk and I'm not even gay.
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Fantastic book reviews
comfy defeat of haters
What are the best reviews you have ever read, /lit/? Good or bad, but let's face it, probably bad.

https://theoutline.com/post/6550/gmorning-gnight-little-pep-talks-for-me-you-jonny-sun-lin-manuel-miranda-review
>How could Trump have won? Everyone I know went to see Hamilton! our liberal friends exclaimed on November 9, 2016. Sure, an entertainer like Miranda bears no responsibility for what happens in the realm of politics, but watching him dole out mental-health advice in this current moment feels a bit like being imprisoned during the Reign of Terror and having the former court jester at Versailles swing by to cheer you up.

I can't decide if the above is the greatest book review I have ever seen, or if it's the one about the celebrity autobiography of the sports presenter.
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>become a douchebag with this one easy trick!
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Evola - Ride the Tiger
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Despite all the memes this book is pretty good. The mindset it evokes is like a modern version of a pratyekabuddha, one who attempts to achieve enlightenment on their own without the aid of a community to guide them. The best way to do this is to ignore all convential morality that is peddled today for there is nothing about it that is transcendent, it has been reduced to a mere social formality.

He also points out some aspects of modern culture that may be of use on one's quest which is fitting because as long as the human condition is limited to a finite body, placed in particular social context, one can only use the tools that are available to him.
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Guénon Debunked
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Why did Guénon make the mistake of homogenizing and reducing all Traditional Metaphysics to Advaita Vedanta, when Islam and Christianity are very explicitly against the interpretation of Advaita and more explicitly in favour of a generic Bhedabheda Vedanta or (Difference and Nondifference) , is this simplistic reductionism false?
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"It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife."

Queen dropping truth bomb
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Journal + Commonplace book
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How the fuck do you organize a journal / commonplace book. Ideally It would be a mix of a journal and general notes on topics.

Everything together chronologically
> Can View Evolution of thoughts over time
> Easiest, everything goes in one book
> Needs to be organized with Index at front
> Can Use a Bound book


Separate each topic
> Easiest to look over each individual topic
> Difficult to view entirety of work in chronological order


Do you organize by topic or in chronological order? Chronological is best for a diary but by topic is better for notes, but I wish to keep a mix of both together. I read that Leonardo Da Vinci kept his journals as a bunch of loose papers but I want to organize a bit better than that. Yes I know this is autistic.
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What does /lit/ honestly think of Charles Dickens?
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What are some good books written from a first person point of view?
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>There is no meaning of life
>Have sex, even at the expense of family, friends and duty (sex is basically the closest thing to a meaning of life and superior to everything else, even having and raising children)
>Eat foreign food (it expands your mind; eating local cuisine makes you boring)
>Welcome foreigners into your country and workforce (it's irrational to distrust them)
>Celebrate gay pride (being gay makes you superhuman; if you're not gay, you should practically worship gays)
Wow, no wonder L*dditors like this book so much. This guy was a soulless bugman.
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what do you journal about, /lit/?
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>It's a Daenerys chapter
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Modern Science Fiction that tackles the implications of more recent technological advancements
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I mostly gave up on modern scifi after I discovered the classics and saw how much more visionary and genuinely thoughtful works written before the genre became a cliche were.
But still, there are conceptual horizons that just weren't a thing back in those days. To give some examples, writers of that period still thought of artificial intelligence as something pure and mathematical, bound by clear, definable rules and totally transparent to itself, not the lovecraftian simulacra of evolutionary processes that have proved to be the path forward for natural language and visual recognition, text- and image generation for us today. And of course they couldn't have imagined the shape the internet would take or the social implications of smart phones and all the insane uses we have found for them, the way all of these factors interact and feed into each other to create the digital age in all its disorienting and crushing complexity.
Basically, I'm looking for some recommendations for works of fictions published in the last decade that deal with these kinds of issues thoughtfully. Can /lit/ help me out with that?
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Disappointed but Not Surprised
The disappointed in progress edition

Previous thread: >>20809142

For General Writing
>The Rhetoric of Fiction, Booth
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft, Burroway
>Steering the Craft, Le Guin
>The Anatomy of Story, Truby
>How Fiction Works, Wood

YouTube Playlists for Writing
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay Robert Butler
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc [Embed]

Technical Aspects of Writing
>Garner's Modern English Usage, Garner
>What Editors Do: The Art, Craft, and Business of Book Editing, Ginna
>Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style, Tufte

Books Analyzing Literature
>Poetics, Aristotle
>Hero With a Thousand Faces, Campbell
>The Art Of Dramatic Writing: Its Basis in the Creative Interpretation of Human Motives, Egri
>The Weekend Novelist, Ray

Note to anyone posting a sample of your writing for critique:
>IF YOU HAVE NOT PERFORMED A CURSORY PROOFREAD, DO NOT EXPECT TO BE TREATED KINDLY. EDIT YOUR WORK FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMAR BEFORE POSTING.

Traditional Publishing
Pros:
>you get to focus mostly on writing
>you must write a proposal to the publishers and sell your story to them
>you make 10-15% profit max, but they also eat all the risk and the costs
>self publishing is basically like running your own company
>you only need to do some simple marketing and reach out to readers
Cons:
>you make 10-15% profit max
>self publishing you make 70%+
>they’ll still require you to do all the leg work of a self published author anyways

Finding Agents
>https://querytracker.net/join.php
>https://www.manuscriptwishlist.com/

Self Publishing Options
>https://archiveofourown.org/
>https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/
>https://www.kobo.com/us/en/p/writinglife
>https://www.royalroad.com/
>https://www.scribblehub.com/
>https://www.wattpad.com/

Self Publishing How-To
>risky, but much more profitable
>you must pay for everything yourself
>if you do, you will spend more time on running a business than writing, but can be worth it
>https://selfpublishingwithdale.com/

Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual, Kooser
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry, Mason

Anime Writing (^・o・^)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4on26mKakgs [Embed]
>https://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Anime-Story

For advertising
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQygKqJVFXg [Embed]

AI-generated book covers
>https://nightcafe.studio
>https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini
>https://app.wombo.art/
>https://penguin.jos.ht/
>https://beta.openai.com/playground

/wg/ Authors and Flash Fiction Pastebin
>https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Other forums
>https://reddit.com/r/writing
>https://writing.stackexchange.com/
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The whole idea of moral greyness is so stupid, vapid and immature. How can you classify humans as 'grey' (ie contain both good and bad) without a definition of what good and bad actually are.
Black and white morality is important to understand. Without pure good and pure evil, you have no standard of value to understand grey morality. If you want to be the best person you can be, you have to have objectively Good goals and values to shoot towards. Grey is filthy and doesn't inspire you to be a better person in an already grey world. A story of good vs evil being "intended for children" means it is inherently good for adults as well. We want the best for a children, it's why we create media for them that helps nurture their growing heart and soul and mind. A man or woman inspired by a simple story of good and evil is as much a treasure as children learning the dichotomy of good and evil through those same stories. It's why we as peoples have always been drawn towards and enjoy such fables. It helps us, young and old, to remember the correct path for happiness and healthiness. Morally grey stories are simply for entertainment purposes only, because we already live in such a reality. They can also be cautionary tales, but they should never be consumed and heeded in such ways that you would apply the morality to your own life.
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What are some books about heroin?
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>be me
>went Monday to Wednesday without having any junk food
>no binging and probably had less than 2000 calories each day
>felt fine
>woke up this morning after slightly not enough sleep
>went to work
>did work
>ate lunch
>finished work; all the young people socialising while I was the ugly freak in the corner
>buy junk food on way home (not in an overly hopeless way, I'm just happening to do it)
>have junk food binge
>waste evening
>now about to exercise

When you're an ugly beta, socialising is a scam, a rigged game.
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What did he do that was significant?
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Anons here and on /sci/ keep on mentioning him in Hegel threads. What exactly did he say? Terms like category theory, sheaf theory, schemes, etc. are constantly thrown around but nobody here ever bothers to explain a single thing. It's about as inaccessible as you can get; I don't even know what books to read!
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/lit/ could never
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How would your favorite author describe you if they saw you in public and decided to write a character based on you?
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Can the Quran be harmonised with Unitarian Christianity?
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Examples of potential harmonisation (if one throws out the Hadith and Tasfsir):
>abraham sacrifice ishmael
The quran doesn't say which son was put for sacrifice. It says a son was put for sacrifice and Abraham was blessed with isaac as a son
However 'and' in the Quran 'wa' often doesnt indicate a separate clause but more of an emphasis (like forever AND ever). So it is reasonable to think this is harmonised with the bible.

>jesus didnt die on the cross
Not what it says. It says the Jews (in their bragging of disobeidance towards God claim to have killed jesus) but that they were not responsible for his execution and it only seemed that way.
Now traditionally this is read as the execution never happening. However one can just as easily read it more like: 'the Jews could not kill a prophet, only God is in control of when his prophets die'
Further evidence of this is Surah Ali Imran ayah 55 where God says 'he will take Jesus to the end of his worldly term (or in common arabic, death); and raise Jesus back to God. Jesus is also quoted as saying that he was 'taken, but in common arabic, died or soul departed the body' in Surah 5 ayah 117.
>but the Quran denies God has a son and that he begets
Yes, but notably the Quran does not seem to deny that God is our father or that we are God's children in the figuratively employment. Indeed the quran tells us to remember god as we remember our fathers.

Instead it denies that God has a wife or child. i.e. Polytheism. And it denies that jesus or ezra are the Son of God and thus lords to be taken alongside him. Clearly thus the quran is taking aim at the biological/literal notion that trinitarians subscribe to where Jesus is literally part God.
Most muslims take no issue with Jesus or David referring to God as father, these are obviously figurative. They avoid it themselves because of the trinitarianism's greek god like conception of it but do not deny it.

>the Quran says the bible is corrupt
No it doesn't explicitly say that. It does tell Muhammad to recite the Torah.

>Differences in Bible vs Quran narratives
this is probably the biggest sticking point. The Quran never paints prophets as sinning and appears to confuse different stories with each other: eg the Jeroboam the samaritan calf maker is seemingly substituted into the calf making for Moses, Similarly Solomon is not the one who starts worshipping pagan Gods, but rather his associates.
However, realistically, this shouldn't be a grave problem given that contradictory narratives appear within the bible itself. These can merely be seen as mild attempts at exonerating prophets.

The Quran should be looked at like the Gospel is Thomas is looked at. Apocryphal, Christian fan-fiction that is not altogether incompatible with Unitarian Christianity.
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I am in my late 20s. I've never been more lost in my life. Lonely, no purpose, obsessed with the past and unable to forge the future.

What should I read?
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Which book will make me superior to all the subhuman, low-life cretins I encounter every day, at work, in the street, online? The closest I've seen to intellectual equals are a few of you /lit/izens
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What would reading the Bible as a healthy adult without ever having heard ANYTHING about the concept of God, or any reference to the Bible be like? The second act plot twist would be shocking then the 3rd act in revelations would raise so many questions!
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Have you succeeded in finding the perfect routine for consistent writing and reading habits yet, /lit/?
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To anyone that's worked in/ adjacent to publishing, is this true?
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Poland literature
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Czy ktoś może mi opowiedzieć o dobrych książkach z polskiej literatury?Jestem z Ukrainy, chcę się zapoznać
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Love your enemies
>Love your enemies

Why does every modern Christian bible translate it this way? Its fucking retarded and goes against the previous 1500 pages in the bible. Its a completely wrong mistranslation of what Jesus preached.

https://shalom101.com/love-your-enemies/
https://discover.hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/A-Short-Commentary-on-Matthew-643
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>Now, as they talked on, a dog that lay there lifted up his muzzle, pricked his ears... It was Argos, long-enduring Odysseus' dog he trained as a puppy once, but little joy he got since all too soon he shipped to sacred Troy. In trhe old days young hunters loved to set him coursing after the wild goats and deer and hares. But now with his master gone he lay there, castaway, on piles of dung from mules and cattle, heaps collecting out before the gates till Odysseus' serving-men could cart it off to manure the kings estates. Infested with ticks, half-dead from neglect, here lay the hound, old Argos.
>But the moment he sensed Odysseus standing by he thumped his tail, nuzzling low, and his ears dropped, though he had no strength to drag himself an inch toward his master. Odysseus glanced to the side and flicked away a tear, hiding it from Eumaeus, diverting his friend in a hasty, offhand way: "Strange Eumaeus, look, a dog like this, lying here on a dung hill... what handsome lines!
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>Be me
>Be college student
>Explain Nietzsche’s view on the relation between morality and the weak
>Other students smirk
>Think i am a pseud for moving my hands while giving presentation

Why? I was just being Italian.
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>build all this hype over the mystery of how this faggot got out of Azkaban
>"i just turned into a dog and walked out lmfao"
Even as a kid I thought this was a lame copout
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i feel like i'm reading the very word of God
novum organum
I always dismissed this because I thought it was just about the scientific method... this is a metaphysical treatise of the highest order that surpasses Kant. Insane to believe that it was written in the 17th century. He makes Leibniz, Spinoza, and Descartes look like fucking retards... I can't believe that I thought Leibniz was smart but now I realize he had no excuse for believing all that shit since this book had already been written... This surpasses materialism, idealism, dualism, monism, mysticism, skepticism, etc. This has to be divinely inspired. It literally solves everything.
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How to call up my Muse? I want her to sing for me and tell me the great stories that she has to tell. Books on this subject, ideas or personal experiences you can share are more than welcome.
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Girard's theory is so powerful
>destroys pagan ethics
>destroys subjective relativism
>establishes Christianity as the greatest intellectual development in human history

why do I never hear about him?
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Italian book
flagge-italien
What Italian book can I get for my Italian speaking friend? Something beautifully written that can be easily enjoyed by the average person.

I was thinking about Canti by Leopardi but I'm not sure if it's the best option.
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Best books on The Troubles?
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Does he have any other books with insane but funny characters like Trashy and Kid from The Stand?
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Just what the fuck was Tolkien thinking by creating this character?
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What books should I read if I want to understand contemporary capitalism?

This industrial worker vs bourgeois looks outdated (I don't know anyone who works in a factory).
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I just finished this, what did I think of it?

>Spoiler: I think it’s the greatest book I’ve read so far
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We need to separate SCIENCE™ from Natural Philosophy
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>just stop having emotions bro, it's literally THAT easy
thanks, that cured my anxiety and depression
(on a more serious note, which text is good for a beginner and offers practical tips to becoming more stoic?)
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Rate my 3x3
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Overcoming Incompetence
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Books for helping deal with feelings of inadequacy over male competency and practical skills?

Living in the modern world and a life of abstractions, vices and technology has made me realize how badly attuned I am to the physical environment and having mastery over it. My ancestors would be embarrassed. What can help?
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any good books written by killers?
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>An Austrian man named Johann “Jack” Unterweger was convicted of killing a sex worker named Margaret Schaefer in 1976. Later, he wrote a book that he hoped would convince the public he was a completely reformed man. The autobiography titled Fegefeuer Oder Die Reise Ins Zuchthaus (Purgatory or the Trip to Jail - Report of a Guilty Man) was written while he was in prison, and it became a bestseller in 1984.

>In his book, Unterweger claimed that his desire to kill stemmed from the abandonment of his mother. He was forced to live with his drunken and abusive grandfather, and his feelings of loneliness led him to seek affection from sex workers.

>The state was swayed by his book, and Unterweger was released on parole in 1990. He became something of a literary celebrity - but then more sex workers began turning up dead. Unterweger was arrested for the murders and convicted in 1994. Shortly thereafter, he hanged himself using the string from his prison jumpsuit.

lol
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Blood Meridian
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/lit/-pill me on what the judge represented or was a metaphor for. Finished the book a few days ago and can't stop thinking about it.
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Imagine knowing as much about society as he did when he wrote the Technological Society in 1954.

No wonder he was so smug
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I’m looking to transition away from /lit/ because of the negativity and hatred anons have towards each other here. There’s no charity or love on this board, just irony and cruelty.

So recommend me some blogs and literary websites I should migrate to. Post your favourite blogs.

I’ll start:
The Orthosphere — reactionary Christian blog dealing with literature, theology, politics, and culture.
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he was unironically the greatest writer of the 20th century
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>I haven't spoken to anyone in three days. I even liked it. Words can't express everything a person feels. Words are flaccid. ~Mirror (1975)
What do you think of that quote, /lit/? Is Tarkovski right? Can some feelings be impossible to capture by words in a book or monologue in a movie? Like, cannot be communicated in any way, but only comprehended by ourselves.
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Books about love? I mean true, pure love. Fiction or non fiction, anything to do with love.
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Feminist books
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Where should I start if I want to read some feminist books? Pic related? I don't know that much about feminism.
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Do you guys still care about Land? Someone on github has collected Cryptocurrent: Bitcoin and Philosophy into an asciidoc, including the shit that's only available through archive.org as the blog it was on went down pretty soon after. I just made an epub out of it for convenient reading. Here it is:
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/xfar58ha4g9mf0t/Cryptocurrent.epub/file
He got pretty far into chapter 5 (maybe it's finished even, who knows), only things missing are ch. 6 and three appendices.
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Can you guys give me your favorite Weird Fiction stories?
I really liked Lovecraft's works and The King in Yellow.
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What was the first fictional world that didn't bear any relation to the real world?
When you look at fiction pre-Tolkien, no matter how fantastical the story is, it's always either on earth, or on a place you can get to from earth, or in the Earth's past. But modern fantasy often takes place entirely in constructed worlds.
I'm asking mostly because I'm trying to develop a theory for why no one developed role playing games prior to the 70s, despite the technology existing for thousands of years. My idea is that genre fiction explicitly based on non-real places and things gave people the media literacy to conceptualize "secondary realities" as narratively meaningful in a way they weren't able to do prior to, as far as I can tell, the mass popularity of Tolkien.
>inb4 arda is ancient earth
That idea never made it out of his letters
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I WILL write a book and publish it, even if I have to self publish on Amazon
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