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http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading POST HERE YOUR QUESTIONS THAT DON'T DESERVE THEIR OWN THREAD:
>Books with X theme?
>What am I in for?
>What was his/her problem?
>Books like X?
>Do I need to read X to understand Y?
and other simple questions should be posted here for the benefit of the board. for me, unironically pic related Who carried on in developing Jung's idea of his archetypes?
This stuff is interesting as hell. >the year is 2028
>your beautiful and loving wife just gave birth to your first daughter
What do you prepare for her to read to make sure you will still be able to look at her with pride and joy as she turns 18? They should’ve just called it Niiiiiiicccccceeeee, amirite? A bit back I did a thread on how someone should get the most out of the Qur'an without knowing Arabic or being a scholar
I was asked in that thread about my opinion of The Study Quran, a Shi'ite publication. That question really merits its own thread so here it is.
Many Shia curse revered Sunni figures and seek to propagate a version of history as balanced as Procopius,but Nasr doesn't really have an ax to grind here, the main objection is his sectarian theology (and sectarian in being ultra mystic Shi'ite so perennialist and a bit, for lack of a better word, flaccid on law). His politcs are questionable too even if they don't play a big role here: he condemned Khomeini and supported the Shah because, he alleged, monarchy is trad. However the Shah was a foreign backed puppet so I suspect his real reason is he's a secularist.
The translation is faithful and very readable. It's probably the most elegant English translation except for Arberry's, and Arberry's has no comparison because he is the only one who cares about imitate the rhythm and sound of the Arabic, I'll go into that in a follow up post.
Before moving on, some will invoke Pickthall as the most elegant English translation. I would disagree for a few reasons but most important is he inserts a lot parenthetical writing, which isn't necessarily bad it can greatly aid understanding, but it's obviously inelegant.
Now the next concern is the commentary. The very best thing about this commentary is it often covers the circumstances of when verses are revealed. This is extremely helpful. The worst thing is the doctrinal commentary. Nasr engages in a tremendous amount of "damage control" to the point of being deceptive. For example in the commentary on verse 9:29, a very controversial verse, he cites al-Razi as representative of "much if the mainstream Islamic discourse on this matter" in that People of Book don't have to pay jizya except that the unbelievers among them do and a legal distinction is too difficult--the unanimous opinion of Muslim jurists is that people of the book are unbelievers unless they didn't get the memo. No one takes al-Razi seriously as a theologian, jurist philosopher or mathematician, he is rather remembered only for his brilliant accomplishments in medicine.
Cont For talking about the craft.
Last one was excellent lads, keep it up.
Previous: >>16094004 I feel /lit/ is too American-centric, let’s have a thread for Brits or euros in general.
Where you from? What are you reading?
London for me, reading Berte as grans pies a 13th century chanson de geste Post obscure but nonetheless interesting reads. I've read six Faulkner novels plus several of his short stories. I scooped pic related because I found it for 99 cents. I read (and enjoyed) Spotted Horses and Old Man, and now I'm finding out that these are actually sections of some of his other works? I've held off on reading The Bear for now because I think I want to read it in the context of Go Down, Moses. Not sure how Old Man fits into The Wild Palms/If I Forget Thee, Jerusalem (I've never found a copy of it in good condition). And I haven't read any of the Snopes trilogy yet so I'm not sure if Spotted Horses is included in one of those books or if it's supplemental. Anyone able to clear some of this up for me? Any suggestions? Thread for posting illustrations that help you understand abstract concepts.
Does anyone else draw their own pictures/diagrams of philosophical frameworks to understand/conceptualise them better? Or am I just autistic? What books do I have to read so I can brag to people about how smart I am. >destroys NPCs
>destroys virtue signalers
>destroys status chasers
Who’s read it? Everything makes sense now is it still summer edition
SFFG Discord: https://discord.gg/KWPCM7m ''Written word is NOT superior to motion picture''
Do you agree with the master? In your opinion, who are the must-read living intellectuals? Gonna read the iliad and the odyssey, what are the best translations? Whats the strangest written book you've ever read >Find out author was a fascist/racist/reactionary >Put their book on my cart
Anyone else? When and where will the Sovereign return? looking for underrated or obscure sword and sorcery fantasy stories Although none of their books have survived, there were a lot of great Greek female philosophers that loved ( philo– ) the wisdom ( -sophia). There are clear references to their existence and the influence they had on the works of some of the most famous Greek philosophers like Plato, Pythagoras or Socrates.
Philosophers in Ancient Greece were the first to attempt to rationalize their perception of nature and the world. Until then, the human kind used mythology and magic to explain the physical phenomena and how the world had been created. In the 7th century B.C. in all Hellenic cities of the Mediterranean and especially in Athens a quite radical approach to explaining the world began; one that used reason and evidence to do so. Their thoughts, experiments and work remarkably changed the way that people understood the world and themselves and became the introduction of scientific thinking for the Western Civilization.
As wise as these Ancient Greeks were, we can’t deny that, there was one major fault that they all had in common. They believed that women were inferior creatures compared to men and that their prospects were extremely limited. Women were excluded from social and political life and the majority were confined to a life at home and bearing children. Very few women philosophers managed to defy all conventions and pursue knowledge for themselves. Apart from their natural curiosity and intelligence, they had to be audacious, persuasive and persistent. What books capture the feeling of old Europe? Lord of the Rings does that, but I wonder if there are other books with a similar melancholic beauty feel to them. Which is more important for a good story? Characters or worldbuilding? What does /lit/ think of China Miéville? i loved A Clockwork Orange and the Wanting Seed as well. currently really enjoying Earthly Powers
hey Burgess fans! where do i go next? Surely you've read all of these, anon?
I've only read 4. (Currently on Gatsby.) >“And as for the Australians, they deserve a Nippo-Chinese invasion. Criminals were their granddads, and their contribution to civilization is not such as to merit even a Jewish medal. Why the heck the Chinese and Japs don't combine and drive that dirt out of Australia, and set up a bit of civilization in those parts, is for me part of the mystery of the orient.”
— Ezra Pound on Australia Oscar Wilde hitted on this This thread is dedicated to the discussion of the life and thought of German philosopher Martin Heidegger. Make sure you give feedback before posting. I'll lurk around to make sure the first few posts get crits.
Even at night George felt his cocoon call him with somber lyrics. He lay in bed and willed himself to hear just the crickets and shaking leaves. But each word sinuously floated up to his bedroom, weaving past the bugs and branches, and falling on him like strands of hair. He winced, sat up, and drank his coffee. It was rather late, but he liked to squeeze the hours of the day to their final drops, it was the best way to avoid starting the next. And tonight he couldn’t have been more reluctant to see the sun again, as the ceremony was forthcoming, and he would soon begin his Noble Death.
He leaned on a pillow and picked up a book, but fear crept through his mind like a fat possum in a swamp. He raised his mug and tried to ease his thoughts. A memory of bubbles swinging over a pasture and shy wings on his back. It warmed him until a scraping noise brought his attention to the door. His cats paw arched beneath, scarring the soft wood. He opened the door and pushed her down with his foot, he pressed lightly on the black fur, then kicked her out again.
George decided to go downstairs and make something to eat. He’d only had lunch that day and the coffee was making him sick. He needed to get himself together, there was no reason to be so weary. The Death was a celebration, and though he wasn’t sure why, he knew he had to respect it. His job was to comprehend the order, not to give a struggle. But still George Sousy walked in gloom. A racoon squealed weakly in the garden.
Lyrics rung around his head while he cut a bagel. The words seemed to unstitch his brain. A heavy sap covered his bones and paralyzed him. There was no way he’d go to the cocoon tomorrow, what was noble about stunting a flame? This was all he could think in his bizarre mood, and that he suddenly longed for sleep. Write the last sentence that humanity will write. is there any other book that accurately captures what exploring the dream world is like? this is my stirner thread What are /lit/s thoughts on the Logos? Is it a viable concept or is it a misguided approach on how to engage with life? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3NJsQa43M
Was he a german government agent? who would take this guy seriously and give him money? If you read Ostara you would notice it's like a comedy play. It's worse than a /pol/ false flag READ MORE POETRY, LESS PROSE. What are the best dystopian/utopian novels you've read What are some examples of the best 21th century japanese literature? Whats with all the hype? It was good yes, but nothing amazing. I found the worldbuilding underwhelming although that might be built on in the other books. what's the newest book you've read to completion?
I just finished pic related which was published in 2018 and enjoyed it, the author (female) did a good job of respecting the Greeks while also neatly altering just a few details to make her work fit alongside the established mythology.
I think the newest thing I've read apart from this is DFW's Oblivion or Gene Wolfe's The Knight which are both well over 15 years old Im looking for books on early religions, and how they formed, crystallized, and assumed power. In particular im interested in Buddhism, Islam (which includes sources that are more critical of the hadith and dont just assume theyre all true), and Zoroastrianism.
Books on Christiantiy are welcome too, but ive already read some of those I just finished reading the bible and it was great! What is the second best book to read after the bible? 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. I've come here to dispel some rumors and myths.
A week or so ago, anon was asking about subscriptions to current sci-fi magazines, and if any of them were worth it. Another anon said that they are all trash because all they publish is SJW cuckoldry.
Anon disagreed, said speculative fiction was always socially progressive, but the other anon shut him down, speaking of how some third anon made a thread a few weeks back on a current issue of MoFaSF and how full of PC cuckery it was
So now I present, from December of 1969, The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. Welcome to /lit/, how midwit are you? Just learned about anti-suburb writings. Is it true that suburbs are where creativity goes to die? If God doesn't exist, then how did matter get set in motion? Specifically, I'm interested in books that delve into the show's underlying philosophy. think Ellul's 'The technological society' but focused specifically on the internet, instead of pop-science books like 'the shallows'. fiction is cool to if it covers the same topics and has the same tone as lain. I was thinking that in order to be a more well-rounded thinker, I need to dive headfirst into uncomfortable territory. What are some books that are pro-neoliberal, pro-atomization, pro-degeneracy, privilege checking (and how one can even find mental center after purposely diminishing yourself), and all other topics like that? I am curious about the perspectives and arguments come from that realm. I was watching some videos about Nietzsche, produced by a yt channel 'Academy of Ideas' and they were very powerful for me. I decided I want to read Nietzsches works myself. Problem is I never read in school because I was too busy eating ADD pills and shit. I investigated in what best order to read Nietzsche and people threw all kinds of recommendations: 'chronologically', 'not chronologically', 'start with greeks'. Now I don't fucking know because most of these ideas are reddit ideas which are default trash.
So here I am anons, with zero book reading experience and a desire to read Thus Spake Zarathustra to become the bridge to ubermenschdom. Where tf do I begin. Rec a book about hobo life May I ask for some books about wandering, travelling on foot, hermits, and that sort of thing?
I'm reading Hermits by Peter France right now, and would like to read more. I have also read the book about the North Pond Hermit. Religious or non-religious, fiction or non-fiction, doesn't matter.
Any suggestions appreciated. With autor is gonna help me to get my shit together? Why do Catholics paint deliberately incorrect things? What else are they lying about? What about what Jesus looked like. >Philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for Platonic-fascist top-down solutions that always screw up viciously. Schizoanalysis works differently. It avoids Ideas, and sticks to diagrams: networking software for accessing bodies without organs.
Is he right? Are the Platonofascists the source of all our problems and the hyper-Deleuzian SSRIology the solution?
A silly idea but also true. This is just a gentle reminder to my fellow /lit/izens that anime, manga, and all related materials have no place on our wonderful board.
>lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc.
That is all. Haven't seen a non-fiction thread for a long time here.
What are some good non-fiction books you've read? Doesn't matter which genre, shoot away.
Pic related for me has been really useful. >despises stoicism
>embraces concept of eternal recurrence and "amor fati"
Does this not seem like obvious hypocrisy? What are the differences between these ideas? "Amor Fati" is usually considered as support for a stoic mindset Books for a generation that can’t think for themselves? Nietzsche on Wagner:
>Wagner, the master of language, the mythologist and myth-maker, the philosopher, historian, aesthetician and critic, poet of previous societies, who has made simple dramas new again, and clarified the place of the arts in human culture, and understood the values of the past, and who has for the first time encircled the entire structure in one ring, and engraved the runes of his spirit on it - what an abundance of knowledge he had to accumulate and compile, in order to accomplish all this! And yet the magnitude of the task never daunted him, nor did the details and the beauty distract him.
Also Nietzsche on Wagner:
>Is Wagner a human being at all? Is he not rather a disease? He contaminates everything he touches — he has made music sick.
Can we have a thread on this unbelievably based man?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKMDCjkSK4 Where do I start with Socrates?
>inb4 Plato and Xenophon
I want to read SOCRATES yoooo.....YOOOOOO this is SICK!!! You are severely beaten and lying on the ground when this fully-grown man squats with his foot firmly on your hand and he says to you in a low, threatening voice, "This is water."
What do /lit/? tfw you will never read the bible in its original language
how do KJV heads cope?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAAfb5f0fxk >a talking dog
What the fuck was Pynchon thinking? This is stupid. there's a party scene in my story
i've never been to a part so i have to research party on google Best essay collections to get? Books for this feeling? What the fuck. How was he able to write a pedophile character so well? and why is it Southern Gothic? Is he worth reading or is his theory of the clash of civilizations just a meme? autistic virgin here need some similar recs What does /lit/ think of Carlyle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2q0p9zbUco I used to hate this hippie communist pedo faggot, but after reading about his 1948 "vision," I'm convinced he was dosed and subjected to some kind of MKULTRA programming that turned him. Oh, he was a faggot all on his own, but something happened to him. Anyone know more about it? >try to start a philosophical conversation with my friends at the pub
>"I try not to think about this stuff, it's irrelevant anyway"
>try to convey the importance of these big questions and the necessity of having meaning and purpose in life
>friends get visibly frustrated and annoyed, one turns away and complains to the person on the other side of him that we've been talking about such an irrelevant topic for so long
>stop talking about it
How do I find people that I can talk to about actual interesting topics? Of my close circle of friends, two are completely money-orientated near-bugmen, one has no goals whatsoever and I can't have a serious conversation with him about anything other than women, and the other is somewhat interested in philosophy but is a crude materialist atheist who doesn't understand that consciousness is not reducible to physical matter. I love them and we have a great time together, but any serious conversation, even about politics, devolves into scatological and sexual jokes within a maximum of 120 seconds. Are there any books that talk about this issue, or explain how I can get my friends to engage in intelligent conversation? Going to start a graduate history program in a week where I will need to finish a history book for each class. How the fuck do I learn how to read fast enough? GIVE ME ALL THE INTRODUCTION CHARTS!
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I want to know a little about a large. What do you think about book illustrations? Are they nice to have, or do you think that they influence your imagination for the worse? The concept of "interlanguage fossilization" has been coined to suggest that fluent non-native speakers of a language are, 95% of the time, incapable of reaching a native skill level by design, and so their ability 'fossilizes,' and they are locked into patterns from their native language, unable to reach native level despite any amount of motivation or effort.
What do you think about this? Does it sound accurate? Links below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlanguage_fossilization Books with protagonists like this? What should I write to get money? I'm a somewhat decent writer, but I'm so desperate for money that I would write anything If you've ever asked yourself why people like autistic girls but not you, an autistic man, you've probably concluded it's just because they're women, or because they're attractive. You probably ended up thinking that no one likes autistic men, because they're men.
Well, anon, what about David Byrne of Talking Heads? Look at him. Beloved by millions. Attractive. Understands fashion, art, and social cues. But he's diagnosed with autism.
What's your excuse now? You're not unlovable because of autism. And autistic women aren't lovable just because they're women. You can be fashionable, smart, and nice while autistic, and people will like you. Blaming autism or gender is a cope. Wait so was Socrates not even gay? It sounded like he just liked to tease pretty boys while never engaging in homosexual acts. >read the first chapter of a book
>decide it's shit and stop reading
How do I get over this hurdle of having impossible standards Can I get some recommendations on good "background noise" audiobooks? Books that are interesting enough to listen to, but not so good that you're missing out by not taking the time to sit down and actually read them. Just finished it bros, and wow. This book is really filled to the brim with beauty and tragedy intertwined. Now that I've read it I want to revisit Lord of the Rings and I think it will hit with much more potency. What is the most expensive book you own? Are there any modern day poets that aren’t trash? Why doesn't /lit/ ever talk about "In Search of Lost Time"? I just finished the first chapter and it is great. Not gonna lie this was pretty gay. I’m curious, what was generally thought of this work in the western world before homosexual degeneracy became normalized? Why are most of you argueing about outdated ideologies, philosophies, not proven psychological concepts and genetic inequality if technology will fix many of these problems? We could in fact be the first generation to not die of aging? What the fuck are you doing here instead of investing in yourself for the real centers of the world? R8 my favourite books guys
>Princess Bride - William Goldman
>Howl's Moving Castle - Diana Wynne Jones
>The Martian - Andy Weir
>The Poisonwood Bible - Barbara Kingsolver
>LOTR Series - JRR Tolkein
>East of Eden - John Steinbeck
>A Thousand Splendid Suns - Khaled Hosseini
>The Song of Achilles - Madeline Miller
>The Bean Trees - Barbara Kingsolver whats the deal with Dave Eggers? Alfred Janny edition #15
>https://pastebin.com/S0wzPRqA What's the best way to read Henry Darger's stories? How do you write dialogue involving normal people?
pic unrelated Is there any philosophy that revolves around eliminating emotion in order to better perceive the world? Or anything close/similar to that? When you read a book from an author you didn't know about and like it, you prefer to read other books of him right after or to come back to him later? Do you feel like the internet impedes your ability to stay focused enough to read hard books? Time to discuss real literature anons. the Essay vs the Treatise, who did it better? Books on chinese history? preferably ancient history. Books that describe what happens after death? So wait, Bilbo has the same exact writing style and prose as JRR Tolkien? I am in the middle of Revolt Against the Modern World and I’m finding that I really like Evola’s thought and especially the analysis of history that he undertakes in the second half.
In his analysis of civilizations, he makes a distinction between “solar” and “virile” civilizations and “earthly” and “lunar “ civilizations. The solar societies are those that focus on overcoming, on heroism, are represented by the Apollo archetype, etc... The earthly civilizations are based on gynaeocratic ruling classes, looseness of sexual morals, emphasis on cooperation, and a spiritual conception of returning to the earth. I’ve heard them elsewhere described as societies of the mother.
Are there other authors who bring up this distinction or who discuss societies with this framework, spiritually and metaphysically instead of just purely politically? I think a lot of the footnotes in Evola’s book are from authors who aren’t translated into English. Preferably authors who aren’t overly misogynistic, though I think this subject matter probably attracts a certain type, so I’ll read them even if they are. The only reason I want to own a house someday is to have a comfy window seat So, I've been browsing this blog site lately after someone recommended it to me as an intellectual and creative outlet or some shit I don't know..
And I noticed that a lot of the authors, on any and all sides, talking about broad political shit tend to sound like pompous douchebags who learned a bunch of idioms, metaphors, and long words.
So as someone interested in words and literature, I just wanted to ask, is this shit inevitable? Am I just over-analyzing the inherent difficulty of expressing these ideas?
Are there ways of expressing philosophical or political ideas without sounding like a total piece of shit?
Cuz, I mean, I never have bothered with that, so I wouldn't reall yknow.
I don't even know why I'm reading this shit.
But the thing is, I'm planning to start a blog where I just share whatever comes to mind and I'm afraid that I might end up sounding like this if I do that.
Sometimes, I think my own work sounds like I'm trying too hard to be clever, like I'm saying things a certain way just to be smug. I don't know that its the same thing as these political commentators, but there are times when I look at my careful chosen words and think I sound like an absolute asshole who happens to know a bunch of words and happens to be able to play with words...
How do you avoid these things? How do you know if you are given these impressions or making your work too difficult to read or too boring to read for no real reason? The turtleman has dark green skin, a thick, spongy surface, like wet clay. The turtleman lives by the lake. The turtleman has long, smooth legs, and even longer, skinnier arms. The turtleman reads fiction. The turtleman writes screenplays, hoping he will eventually sell one to Hollywood, but he doesn’t let his hopes get too high, because he knows a lot of depressed screenwriters who have long since lost their creative spark. The turtleman has a mere bump for a nose, slits for nostrils, and two large eyes, cartoonish, mostly white. The turtleman has a shell. The turtleman walks on two legs, like the teenage mutant ninja turtles, although he looks nothing like them, he thinks, being much taller and lankier, although, sometimes, out of fascination, late at night, looks up YouTube videos of the live-action ninja turtle films from the 1990s and watches, with fear and fascination and a grotesque, uncanny sensation, the same way a normal man might feel watching the puppet character in “Mr Meaty”.
The turtleman tokes. The turtleman wakes and bakes, and then before breakfast, and then before driving to work, and then on the drive to work, and then at his first break at work. The turtleman has a job at Dunkin Donuts. The turtleman thinks the job is shitty, but he does not care what he thinks. The turtleman considers himself mindless and insignificant, and does not have a trace of self-interest, ambition, or ego. The turtleman is viewed by his coworkers as remarkably friendly and cooperative. The turtleman is responsive to people, like some kind of liquid moving around their solid, fuller existence. The turtleman steals white powdered munchkins throughout the shift, but only when he is working alone. The turtleman is nice to customers. The turtleman is never on his phone, but he does not correct coworkers who do use their phones, who read Twitter until customers grow visibly angry and shift or move something on the table to make a noise and get the coworkers attention, or say “hey” under their breath, because the turtleman understands why they would rather be on their phones than paying attention to their work.
The turtleman knows that his coworkers could give a shit about their work at Dunkin Donuts. The turtleman still does his job well. The turtleman is Dunkin’ Donuts employee of the month. The turtleman freaks his boss out, because she said once he seems like “a fucking robot,” although she apologized later, so the turtleman was confused, although he understood where she was coming from. The turtleman understands people really well, and has a lot of compassion, and understands human flaws. wait are you telling my my situation is not unique & people in the passed experienced the same & people in the future will experience the same too ARe they just glorified Self-Help books or is there substance? I finished reading pic related a couple days ago and got to thinking about the section where John Grady manages to get back Blevins horse with the captive Captain, and the subsequent chase. There were 4-6 riders chasing after him when he was originally shot in the leg, and the night after he burned out his wound and was confronted by three "hombre del pais". My question is, are these men the same that were originally pursuing him,like maybe they split up, or are they just people who live in the wilderness? My first thought was maybe the old man that John Grady freed from the jail might have sent them or been associated with them. But I'm a fucking idiot so I have no clue, any thoughts? What did you think, /lit/? I just finished it, and I thought it was fantastic.
Sure, it’s a novel conciously trying to be a “great novel”, but it certainly justifies this well. Philip Roth is a great writer, and he’s at the peak of his career here; the prose is just great. He makes glovemaking fascinating!. The characters are well developed and complex, not totally really revealing themselves to the reader, and you’re left theorizing their many possible motivations. I really liked the postmodern elements, which stem from the fact that the actual narrator of everything, though it seems easy to forget, is Nathan Zuckerman, Roth’s alter ego, and we’re stuck with his perspective on the life of Swede Levov, and have to grapple with what is Zuckerman’s literary invention and what is the truth, which explains some weirdness. Chief among which is the character of Rita Cohen and whether she even exists or is a plot device by N.Z., either way some part of novel seems off, and on purpose. I like the uncertainty surrounding everything.
Admittedly the main plot line is cheesy as hell. Star HS football player whom everyone adores joins the marines, marries Ms. New Jersey, then takes over his father’s business, and starts his family and career. Then it all goes to shit when the political 60s kick in, his daughter gets swept up, and it all goes to shit fast. Here you can see when the novel is consciously trying to be “great”, in the sense of topic, but it pulls it off well I think, and if you read for plot you’ll get a kick out of it.
This is my fourth Roth book, after “The Ghost Writer”, “Goodby, Columbus”, and “The Plot Against America”, and it outshines them all in my opinion, and frankly it’s a new favorite of mine overall. I’d like to here what /lit/ thought if you’ve read it. When someone banters me, I involuntarily have the 'I'm pretending that I'm enjoying this, but secretly dying inside' face, and it shows.
When I try to banter back, I come off as trying too hard.
Any literature that'd help me get better at the art bantering? I'm at a point in my life that I never thought I'd reach, and yet I still yearn for more. I feel like I can never truly be grateful. I have bouts of gratefulness, but I want to be able to willingly feel grateful... >The literary record reveals no single theme or unitary view of the life of the blind. Instead, it displays a bewildering variety of images—often conflicting and contradictory, not only as between different ages or cultures, or among the works of various writers, but even within the pages of a single book.
>Yet, upon closer examination the principal themes and motifs of literature and popular culture are nine in number and may be summarized as follows: blindness as compensatory or miraculous power, blindness as total tragedy; blindness as foolishness and helplessness; blindness as unrelieved wickedness and evil; blindness as perfect virtue; blindness as punishment for sin; blindness as abnormality or dehumanization; blindness as purification; and blindness as symbol or parable.
https://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/convent/banque74.htm Literally every single prediction Nick Bostrom has made has been coming true. How are we not talking about this? Are you sheeple? poll: https://forms.gle/F8yDF6EoDBrfZ4N2A
poll will last from today till the 16th. We end up forgetting most of what we read. I would say that only about 5 percent of what we read stays in our memory for a few months, at best. Then, everything is forgotten. Only vague ideas of what we read stay in our minds.
This is the kind of shit that sounds like it has some neuroscience to be backep up. What are your opinions? Would you rather read a 5 paragraph exposition or see an illustration with 1 paragraph of description? Why won't high literature acknowledge how superior illustrated novels are? Even scientists in the past agreed that it was foolish to describe something visual without using any illustration. Today friendship is understood either in biological terms or in economic terms, or in sociological terms - an acquaintance, a kind of acquaintance. But friendship means that if the need arises you will be ready even to sacrifice yourself. Friendship means that you have made somebody else more important than you; somebody else has become more precious than you yourself. It is not a business, it is love in its purity.
This friendship is possible even the way you are now. Even unconscious people can have such a friendship. But if you start becoming more conscious of your being, then friendship starts turning into friendliness. Friendliness has a wider connotation, a far bigger sky.
Friendship is a small thing compared to friendliness. Friendship can be broken, the friend can turn into an enemy. That possibility remains intrinsic in the very fact of friendship.
I am reminded of Machiavelli giving guidance to the princes of the world in his great work, The Prince. One of his guidelines is: Never tell anything to your friend which you would not be able to say to your enemy because the person who is a friend today may turn into an enemy tomorrow.
And the suggestion following that is: Never say anything against the enemy because the enemy can turn into a friend tomorrow. Then you will be very embarrassed. Machiavelli is giving a very clear insight: that our ordinary love can change into hate, our friendship can become enmity any moment. This is the unconscious state of man: where love is hiding hate just behind it, where you hate the same person you love but you are not aware of it.
Friendliness becomes possible only when you are real, you are authentic and you are absolutely alert of your being. And if love arises out of this awareness, it will be friendliness. Friendliness can never change into its opposite. Remember this as a criterion: that the greatest values of life are only those which cannot change into their opposite - in fact there is no opposite.
You are asking, "What is real authentic friendliness?"
It will need a great transformation in you to have a taste of friendliness. As you are, friendliness is a faraway star. You can have a look at the faraway star, you can have a certain intellectual understanding, but it will remain only an intellectual understanding, not an existential taste.
Unless you have an existential taste of friendliness, it will be very difficult, almost impossible to make a distinction between friendship and friendliness.
Friendliness is the purest thing you can conceive about love. It is so pure that you cannot even call it a flower, you can only call it a fragrance which you can feel and experience, but you cannot catch hold of. It is there, your nostrils are full of it, your whole being is surrounded by it. You feel the vibe, but there is no way to catch hold of it. The experience is so big and so vast and our hands are too small. whose price makes sense that is
also how good/overrated is the frontlight? I want to get a deeper understanding of what is going on in the world and why, reading the news won't do this. I subscribed to a pretty good newspaper but I guess there is a more direct way of reading about history with relevance for today.
Is there a single book, maybe a chart with a bunch of books, that will get me to a point where I can discuss world politics with confidence and basically understand why certain countries are as they are? How good is the commentary in these books?
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