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When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts. Let's post some good, historical tunes. Anything goes, but try to keep it to music from before WWII. I'll start with a Protestant Hymn which I enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGdfJoIi5h8 What was living in medieval western europe like for the average bloke? As grim as most people depict it? Some of you guys are alright. Don't make pro-Little Entente threads celebrating the Treaty of Trianon tomorrow.
a dignified mourning thread expressing righteous indignation will be posted tomorrow morning
so long /his/torians >Jews don't control the world, you are a conspiracy theorist!
>a black man dies out of nowhere jews all over the world promoting riots and are basically demanding criminals to be released from jail all over the world even in small cities in central america
https://twitter.com/RockstarGames/status/1268573285496823808 >Westerners actually think this guy is a great diplomat
Top fucking kek. I know his 'accomplishments' and even read transcripts of conversations with Soviet and Chinese leaders and he's nothing more than just another weasely Jew who thinks he's the master of the world and is smarter than everyone else.
Chinese are already becoming stronger than you Amerilards because of this guy and you're kissing his ass. Top fucking kek. I guess you have to like him since you're gonna share hell with him. Was phimosis common and normal in Rome? Did Japan, China or Russia ever make contact with America and/or vice versa prior to Columbus? I believe Japan has always been a seaworthy nation. It's hard to image they haven't.
Have they? If they haven't, why not? Hello, never posted here before, usually i'm just on /k/, but it turns out most of them can't read.
Had a little look around and seems comfy if a little quiet.
Can I see some of your guys books?
Most of mine are military history / military reference books but expanding constantly.
Happy to answer questions or take/give recommendations.
1/5 How would an admirer of Stalin justify the Katyn massacre, given that he doesn't deny it happened?
Can the Katyn massacre be justified through any marxist-leninist theory or was the cause just ethnic chauvinism? Is it true that egyptologists are not allowed to research Giza pyramids because Zahi Hawass forbids it? Why? Who was in the wrong here? A piece of misinformation frequently heard from Hungarians and their enablers is that "the Romanian language was invented in the 19th century", implying that before the 19th century Romanian was primarily a Slavic language. This is patently false, as I will demonstrate. First, we have documents written and printed in Romanian from the 1500s, and the language used in them is not much different from the Romanian of today. When read aloud the language in these texts is easily understandable to a modern Romanian speaker, albeit sounding a bit archaic; still, it's slightly closer to modern Romanian than Shakespeare's English is to contemporary English. A snag that Hungarians try to capitalize on is that most of these documents were printed or written using the Romanian Cyrillic alphabet (see  for the set of characters) that was popular at the time, rendering them obscure and opaque to the modern reader, though some equally old documents were also printed using Latin characters (examples attached in the annex). Second, we have eyewitness accounts and testimonials from non-Romanian locals, scholars, and foreign travellers who came to Romania in the Middle Ages (such as Francesco della Vale and Antonio Maria del Chiaro) who wrote that Romanian is a romance language, noted some phrases in Romanian, and trace the origin of the Romanians to Roman Dacia. Post the "historians" that you hate the most and why you hate them. Try to limit to ones who have at least one published work and not ecelebs or YouTubers like TIK, Lindymeme, Brandon F, Potential History, etc.
>the Confederate States of America were Socialists!
>the Ku Klux Klan were Socialists!
>the Nazi Party were Socialists (I don't even entirely disagree with this viewpoint, but his argument is fucking filmsy, that he basically discredits himself, at least TIK actually bothered to cite both Hitler's public speeches and some of his policies to support his argument)!
>the Soviet Union were PROGRESSIVE Socialists (let's just totally disregard the fact that the USSR was executing homosexuals and endorsing extreme militarism for most of its existence)!
>in general is an assmongering Trump-worshipping sycophant who is incapable of intelligent thought
B. H. Liddell Hart
>single-handedly created the Cult of Rommel
>brought the cancer of Wehrabooism to the English-speaking world
>set back WWII historiography by decades
>unironically parroted Communist East German propaganda about the Bombing of Dresden
>"Hitler dindu nuffin"
>doesn't even have the testicular fortitude to just come out as a Nazi except the Arabs
Indo European expansion: steppe
Persians: indo euro so steppe
Alexander: indo euro so steppe
: Julius caesar same as above
Genghis Khan: mongolian steppe leader
Timur: turkic with mongol bloed and persian subjects (all steppe)
Mehmet the Conqueror : turks came from steppe
Napoleon : proud indoeuropean emperor
British french spanish colonial empires
Adolf hitler >ywn be colonized by a qt victorian anglo >And now we reach the crux of our badhistory. 1182. Now, first and foremost here:
>Venetians weren't in the city then. They'd been kicked out before hand. Indeed, they don't file any complaints or claims for damage payments, as they had for the damaged caused to them in 1171. Why in God's great plan, would Venetians decide to ruin their relationship and position with the Queen of cities over damages inflicted against their economic rivals? Especially when the expulsions allowed for their return to the Empire under the rule of the very same Emperor who had risen to power during the 'massacre'. The Latins, as barbaric as they could be, were not the Borg. They were not an insectiod hivemind, nor were they a clutch of hidden plotters, biding their time for revenge if any of their members were insulted.
>The 'massacre' is grossly over-exaggerated in popular perceptions, especially in its numbers. While contemporaries, such as Eustathios of Thessaloniki claimed as many as 60,000 Latins lived within the city alone by 1182, and 10,000 Venetians were present in 1171, these numbers are likely exaggerated. A mere seventy four Genoese, in a factory of perhaps two to three hundred were injured and claimed for damages, following the Venetian sack of the trade post in 1162. Likewise, a mere 85 individuals claimed for damages during the second attack on the Genoese factory in 1170. It is extremely unlikely that these factories, and those of similar scale by others, supported anywhere near the number of Latins traditionally understood to have been there. What are some of the lewdest sexual practices societies had before the advent of Abrahamic religions? "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Or is that bullshit? Reminder deadliest warrior had George Washington defeat Napoleon >europeans thought asians were an existential threat to the world
>despite ruling over half of earth
what did the west mean by this? Since he was known as 'the Bewitched', are there any interesting stories about Charles being retarded and sperging out? how accurate is this video?
https://youtu.be/2OQmvRUdr3U Is the era of great men over? Or will people eventually look back at today's leaders with a similar reverence of those who preceded them? Aztec or Mayan? inb4 olmec seriously, why were the italians so fucking useless? Is it still a good idea or is it too late to do it? I saw some Anon's saying that Osprey books arent that accurate. This is quite worrying for me because I ordered a shit ton of them (because they are mostly like 40 pages long) and spend a lot of money. So I would like some clearance of how accurate they are. After having read quite a lot on WW2 one of the most surprising conclusions I have made is that it is surprising that there was not more violence. There are many instances in WW2 where lives were spared, where I would not have spared them if I was in command. For example, why didn't the red Army wipe out every single wehrmacht soldier from the 6th army after they captured them? What did they have to gain from letting them live? Why did Hitler spare the soldiers at Dunkirk? Why do people act like Hiroshima and Nagasaki are such unspeakable war crimes when America could have dropped nuclear bombs on a lot more than just two cities? Not even a million died.
Why were key Nazi members who were responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people let off almost scott free? Serving only a few years in prison and then gaining freedom after having committed the most horrific war crimes? Why weren't they all executed or punished more severely? Are humans pussies?
Am I wrong on this?
What have you guys concluded from WW2? Why was Romania’s most recognizable historical monument constructed in 1984? Why are people still stupid and ignorant despite the invention of the Internet ? Is it 'buy-zan-tyne' or 'biz-zin-teen'? How do I know something is true? During the mid - late Edo period many members of the Samurai class were undergoing an identity crisis. There had been no war for generations so Samurai were largely relegated to burocratic roles. However also during this period Samurai arts flourished with the concept of Bushido appearing for the first time. These men also largerly romanticized sengoku jidai seeing as a time of great deeds. When in reality the Samurai of this period were practical soldiers who did not fight with the honor the samurai of the edo period believed. Ironically this meant the Samurai of the Edo period despite the lack of conflict far more matched the concept of an ideal Samurai. This effectively made Japan a country of Don Quixotes.
Are there any other examples of a group trying to live up to a romanticized concept of something and in doing so actually overtake them? Spartans maybe? >O MY RESURRECTION POWERS THAT TAKE THREE DAYS
Who the fuck writes this shit? Hello /his/,
Yesterday it's been 31 years.
A friend of mine told me that the chinese soldiers were told to get rid of as many bodies as possible and they were told to "run over the dead bodies" several times to pulp them and then "hose them down the drain".
But I can't find any source on that. Not that I wouldn't believe it but I want a source but my IQ in history is low so maybe you guys can help.
Do you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYb9tPs6ZRI Redpill me on Hashashins. Who were they? Were they like ninjas or something? >Study /his/
>Realize that muslims are not the bad guy but someone with different but same prespective about God and most of ""religious"" war is because of some political agenda
Anyone feeling like this? Why do people still bother debating political theory when Realpolitik explains everything that has ever happened with complete adequacy and accuracy? Just because they are romantics and want to believe there are more profound forces behind politics? Why do Germans get so butthurt when British declared war on them in WW1?
Do they really think Brits will just sit around and do nothing, ignore the guarantee treaties that they've made, watch France, Belgium, Netherlands, etc. get subjugated by the German Imperialism and be content with it? The same power that just started a large naval race in order to match the Royal Navy? Just what the fuck did they expect? Can someone concisely explain this country to me. Where did all these ethnicities come from and why if they all hate each other did anyone think it was good idea to make them into one country? What are the origins of Islam? Was Muhammad real? Did he genuinely have revelations (or at least believe that he had revelations) or did he make it all up? Is there any credibility to the theory that the Qur'an is based off of Nestorian Syrian liturgical texts (or whatever the theory is)? so why does shia islam exist? is sunni the original variant? They even received tribute from the Roman Empire. ITT: Based historical figures you disagree with but respect >Nooooo you can't just cooperate with your Prussian allies!!! That's cheating!!
Why are Napoleonfags like this? What was the most important event in human history and why? >important part of modern Christianity
>nobody really knows what it means
how do believers justify this? Was cat domestication a single event which spread across continents over time, or were there several different unrelated instances of small felids becoming domesticated in different regions? How did domestic cats arrive in the Americas, for example? who was in the wrong here? Suppose a Medieval, Peasant women got lost in the woods and wound up in the 21st century. What do you think is going through her mind and what would she think of modern society? Why is the West called the West? Does it have anything to do with a metaphorical connection to how the sun sets in the West? Does it have anything to do with the fact Churches are always positioned such that the congregation are facing East? The Jews are most present in the West and the white race, which is closely associated with the West, seems to be the race the Jews are interested in exterminating, is there a connection there?
This is in the wikipedia article on Osiris:
>He was also associated with the epithet Khenti-Amentiu, meaning "Foremost of the Westerners", a reference to his kingship in the land of the dead.
What does "Westerners" even mean in this context, because this is from ancient Egyptian religion, did they have a concept of the West or the Western World already back then? It would make sense since light eyes are prized and only higher status men could secure light eye for their progeny. Brown eyes would only continue to exist in lower tier lineages and thus correlate with overall inferior genetics So this is a sociological question which is part of the humanities.
Why aren’t europeans breeding?
>inb4 children cost a lot
Poor minorities still breed. Why the arab caliphates arent talked that much ?
They conquered from spain and france to the borders of china (and they beaten the chinks) and to india
They had one of the best general of all time (Khalid ibn Walid)
Is it because a lot of people hate arabs or is it because arabs dont give a damn about their history ? I love that despite all of the evidence of Tiananmen Square not being a student massacre but instead a battle between rioters and PLA soliders
Some people still believe that the innocent "protesters" were killed,.despite being allowed to be in the Square for 6 weeks explain roko's basilisk to me Who had better crops?
Pre-Columbus Europe or Pre-Columbus Americas? >The greatest monarch on the proudest throne,
is oblig'd to sit upon his own arse t. benjamin franklin https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Poor_Richard%27s_Almanack
name anyone else that has made more documented shitposts than him, i'll wait ONE GOD
AND ONE EMPEROR ITT Post people who did nothing wrong. I'll start:
>António de Oliveira Salazar
>Muammar Mohammed Abu Minyar Gaddaf >Romans conquer
>Outside of Jews none of the provinces are notable butthurt about being in the empire centuries later
>Once the empire collapses Germans want to LARP as Italians
>Romans aren't guilty at all
Meanwhile Anglos and other West to North Euros:
>Are hated by those they conquered
>Niggers and other outsiders don't want to be "Western"
>Thanks to being Christian they spread White Guilt memes
What's the difference that makes South Euros better at culture spreading? When the white man first arrived in the early 1600s this place was filled with many tribes living in harmony. By 1774, this was filled with cities and towns. Where did all the natives go? The Ainu. The indigenous peoples of JVPVN. >you're in 1916 Britain and receive this gift from a random woman
Would you cuck out and join the army or wear it like a badge of honor? Why bother in the first place? Who cares if some small island has a communist government. They'll never be able to hurt the US. whats the purest form of christianity? Hey guys I was raised Protestant, but am considering Eastern Orthodoxy. One thing that always puzzled about me was:
How can Protestantism claim to be legitimate if it came 1500 years after Christ? Isn't it just a modern innovation? are redheads the "red-skinned" hebrews of the old testament? give me some knowledge connecting ancient hebrews and "jews" to scythians, celts, the like.
also, if so, what/who were modern day blue-eyed peeps in ancient (para)history? What FUCK where they thinking ?
Of fucking course, the barbarians that tried to invade you would backstab you the first occasion they could
When a people dont fight for themselves, they start collapsing
The romans started to fell (with many others reasons) because they stopped to fight in the legions
The loss of the martial culture doomed Rome >Why yes, I do kill tyrants. How could you tell? After spending the whole night absorbing as much of WW2 and slavery as I could, the question I'm left with now is, is modern civilized society just an illusion?
Are we relatively safe from the horrors of the past or are we just a war or two away from foreign military invasions, mass civilian casualties, rapes, etc? Let's discuss about Islam not only as a religion but also as a historical phenomenon I’m going to post this every day until you remember it >there are people browsing this board right now that unironically blame serbia for ww1 He’s a geopolitical genius who created the modern welfare state and who truly cared about Prussia. How is he viewed in modern Germany? Is Showa Restorationism the most aesthetic movement of the 20th Century? The commitment to an action for the sake of the action alone is a very poetic take on fatalism. Sometimes, when reading about it, it does not feel like the movement was ever much about Hirohito, but instead about the purity of their action, after which only death was acceptable. Hell, even their anthem is fatalistic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rebt3iMpvuY Let's share small but interesting and often little know events in history. Gonna start with the first deadly sport brawl ever recorded in history: the gladiator brawl between Pompeii and Nuceria citiziens
>In 59 AD, Livienius Regulus, a former Senator, organized some splendid games in the amphitheater of Pompeii, which the inhabitants of the nearby population centers rushed to see
>according to Tacitus, discord broke out between the Pompeians and their neighborood Nucerians during the spectacle, started with by an ordinary echange of insults and death threats.
>From words followed deeds; stones were thrown, and then weapons were drawn. Since it was absolutely forbidden to carry weapons in pubblic places, it is very likely that this was a premeditated attack.
>This heated rivalry was likely caused by borders issues between the two cities: During the social war Nuceria, unlike Pompeii, remained loyal to Rome, and thus receiveid as award lands originally belonged to Pompeii
>Tacitus continues his account of the riot by relating that the Pompeians were dominant if the struggle, and that lots of Nucerians were carried home either dead or mutilated
>In retaliation, Emperor Nero and the Senate decided to exiles all those who were implicated in the event, Regulus included, and Pompeii amphitheater was to be forbidden to host new games for ten years
>Aside direct attestations from Tacitus, an house of Pompei also potrayed the clash; an extremely rare case of roman house paintings potraying a real event with realistic rappresentation of the amphitheater Elgen/tg/entleman here. Not sure if more appropriate for /fa/, but I'm in need of some historical dress and garb for inspiration purposes. You guys do image dumps for that sort of stuff? Was he /ourguy/?
>warlord during the most batshit crazy time in 20th century Chinese history
>30-50 concubines from all over the world assigned numbers because he didn't know their names or speak their languages
>doesn't rain in shandong for a long time, drought has set in
>zhang is fucking furious
>goes into temple and slaps it on the face
>yells "fuck your sister! How dare you make Shandong's people suffer by not giving us rain!"
>storms out and immediately orders artillery to fire into the sky until it rains
>rains the next day Why people aren't aware of Pyrrho of Elis (c.360 – c.270 BC) who thanks to Alexander the Great imported Buddhist teachings into the community of Greek philosophers before birth of Christ? Why people don't read on Zoroastrian mythology to find out that Zahhak, seprent-dragon that is locked for a certain time only to be released later and consume three thirds of people/livestock is one of the inspirations for book of Revelations, where its writer really dropped a ball by citing pagan stuff and probably the reason why it wasn't accepted into canon by early Christians because they were aware of spoken myths from Persia? And even more ancient serpent figure, Egyptian Apep - Moses probably was inspired by it when writing Genesis.
Bible is not disproved by modern atheists or agnostics. It is already heavily based on stuff of other ancients who speak by themselves even louder than science. Why did John defend murderers? Was it the need for attention? The entire country wanted them punished so why did John defend them? >All off Russia's oil combined with Germany's engineering
Why wasn't there just a Germanic/Slavic alliance to destroy the British Empire? Wasn't that the whole point of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Why did the it fall flat? >"'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."'
If David was calling Jesus his Lord then that means that Jesus has always existed. If Jesus has always existed then that means Jesus's teachings have always existed. If Jesus's teachings have always existed then that means people could be saved by practicing what Jesus said even before Jesus was born. Why was White Apartheid in South Africa unacceptable to the United Nations but Israeli Apartheid and their mass exodus of Palestinians was looked over? Why was the USSR excluded from the Munich conference despite being a great power and having ties with Czechoslovakia? Would their presence have changed the outcome at all? What's with the American flag in the background? Was this photograph taken at the 1936 Olympics? Now that the dust has settled, who were objectively the better guys and worse guys? Who are some cool or wacky african independence leaders?
I like Thomas Sankara.
I think Patrice Lumumba is overrated. is communication technologies really the driving force in history? i can totally see it now with all the dumb white women and they phones. is the medium the message? so frighting to people
>Herodotus and other Greeks talk about the Negro features of the Egyptians
>they have found afro combs and mummies with afro hair
why is this such a big deal, why so much resistance to the idea? When did you realize libertarian free will was a blatantly fucking wrong idea? Which Protestant state is the most kino in history? I can't believe I am only realizing the sheer level of devastation they endured, they lost 10% of their population with thousands send to labour camps in middle of the jungle. It was like a Mini-Cambodian Killing Fields.
Heck, there's still some Ashaninka slaves and child soldiers right now.
The SL had a system where they would rape girls and when got pregnant, they would left them to have the baby and then take it from her to raise the baby to become a child soldier that would be sent to do the risky suicidal misions.
The system has endure so much that one of the leaders of the SL remnants in Peru is actually a child soldier that grew up.
6000 deaths out of a population of 60,000. All without even being a government. Why was the Confederate States a republic with a president?
Why not a prime minister or even a constitutional monarchy?
With their ingrained aristocracy it seems unusual they'd carry on with the facade of republicanism. This is what the ancestors of native americans probably looked like, say something nice. The republic was based, Even Caesar and Augustus were true Republicans
The Principate was a quasi Republic too What is the most gigachad empire to exist? W-What happened to Olmecs? After all these centuries how have theists still not been able to combat the Euthyphro dilemma?
https://youtu.be/CsgYOwWIL3M I have nothing but the upmost respect for the Ethiopian Empire. Were there other christian sect as extreme as the skoptsy? Why were they so much more advanced compared to other Neolithic European cultures? Why do ideologues think countries have a “right” to exist or not? Crying that you hate a country won’t make them suddenly cease to exist Are Old Believers like the Protestants of Orthodoxy? *Single handily stumps multiple philosopher majors* God is aConditioned Response. who were the first hapas in history? Why did he murder, torture and rape?
He's literally the phenotype all girls want. For me, it's the olive trees of TVRKII When did the Greeks stop calling themselves Romans? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSJdY-sTNKw
mtw, the Battle of Amiens isn't a British battle :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeOY5ETKR3E >psychologists used to recommend that parents have doctors do sex changes on their baby boys if the boys had micropenises
>thousands of boys were made girls at birth and put on hrt when they reached puberty
wtf is wrong with psychologists? From Sigmund Freud to now, they've all been batshit insane Why were the Soviets bamboozled into spending more money than they had into an arms race with the US? Did Dixies have diplomatic relations with Ecuador during the US civil war? It's an interesting question, because Ecuador's president at the time was a military strongman named Gabriel García Moreno. Could a combined force of Dixies and Ecuadorian warriors have turned the tide of the civil war, and led to a long-term 'Dixiecuadorian' / Ecuadixie alliance? >literal retard
>like literally retarded
>dude just make him King of England
>dude just make him King of France too
how did he do it bros? is there hope for us retards out there? Why the absolute fuck did it fall? Is there any historical evidence for the existence of Hyperborea, or a civilisation that might of inspired the tale. Or is it literally just a white version of 'we wuz wakandans'? Why is it that Native American shaman culture and European paganism are both so similar?
Is it because Native Americans are ancestral cousins of the Europeans (ANE)? This is literally the greatest leader in Western history and no one gives a shit or knows anything about him. This is Gallienus, co-Roman Emperor from 253 to 260 and sole emperor from 260 to 268. Kept the Empire intact while dealing with unending crises any one of which could have permanently dissolved the Empire:
-Gothic invasions on the Danube
-Gothic invasions on the Rhine
-Persian invasion of Syria
-Alemanni invasion of Italy
-Secession of Gaul, Britannia and Hispania
-Secession of Aegyptia
-10 serious imperial pretenders
Without his actions to save the Empire Christianity would have been snuffed out in its infancy, there would have been no Byzantine Empire, no European resistance to Islam, no Renassiance or Western culture. This dude needs a monument. Which US president was closest to Fascism and Nazism? Good and cheap private uni for getting a history degree in EU? Protestants cry because the assumption of Mary is not in the Bible. Even Elijah was taken to heavens, why would the Mother of God have a lesser privilege than a prophet? I’ve just read about German Pietism and it was kinda interesting since it is the only native Evangelical movement I’m aware of outside the Anglo-Saxon world. They wanted to "revive" the Lutheran church of Germany which was dead (spiritually) and they emphasized emotion and feelings opposed reason and the Enlightenment. So I’m wondering, is it possible that the modern Evangelical movement in America and worldwide has in fact its roots in Pietism? Why did the Carthaginians sacrifice their children to Moloch? Was it the aesthetic? Are you free if you believe you are free?
Are you truly free if there are outside factors influencing your decisions?
If we are not free, then is it possible to become free? What was the history of veganism? Who are the most historical famous figures that were vegan? The only one I could think of is Hitler. If the migrations of the Pontic nomads into "Europe proper" were fundamental for the creation of the foundations of later European civlizations, why did they abandon their superior methods of ranged cavalry, or chariot, in favor of melee-based combat, when later Finno-Ugric and Turkic peoples proved the effectiveness of the nomadic horse archer?
I am aware that European populations, for instance, the Italic and Celtic peoples still used chariots, however, this was clearly to a lesser degree than the armies of the Pontic nomad which would have been primarily, if not entirely, comprised of ranged cavalry. Who was in the wrong here? I miss them so fucking much bros... >yfw you realize america was the bad guy Why people dont accept that christians doomed Rome ?
Just look at theodosian
>Destroyed what was left of roman military
>Replaced it with gothic mercs
>Invited gothic refugees who destroyed the empire from within
>Depopulates Roman Empire with massacres
>Split empire in two, leaving western part in absolute state
>Left it to completere retarded inbred sons like Hadrian and Arcadius
>Lets track pagans and waste soldiers, money, dividing the roman people instead of caring about the barbarian invaders
Meanwhile Julian the apostate defeated the Germanics, the persians but its a shame that he take a spear to the belly
he could have save rome >talking with my history professor about the fall of Rome during the break
>accidentally refer to the Huns as steppe-niggers
fuck you /his/ you did this to me Why didn't any great seafaring empires develop here, like they did around the Mediterranean? Was he the original coomer?
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