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The /g/ Wiki: https://igwiki.lyci.de/No titleHow will 4channel look like in 2049?No titleWtf you can't reinstall paint on windows 10? Technology is supposed to be moving forward but modern pajeetware gives you trouble with simple photo editing tool. People pay for this shit? God damnVA: The Signature Look of SuperiorityEven the uber-expensive, premium IPS Black monitors, costing hundreds of dollars, have a maximum contrast ratio of 2000:1, compared to the vastly superior 3000:1 of even the cheapest VA monitors./iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player GeneralHow to request advice: >Budget >Intended use (media, source, environment) >Frequency response preference and music examples >Past gear and your thoughts on them
FAQ: >Where do I buy IEMs? Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio
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Previous Thread: >>104853711No title>Gives you a pure OOB desktop experience with no bloated package management backend Anything else is completely redundant. You can literally do everything within the scope of the DE alone. This is how Linux should always have been.No titleOur response /g/?/dpt/ - Daily Programming Threadshow me what youve got, till you can, heheheGcamWhat do we think of it? Does it turn garbage cameras into good cameras? Does it make ultra cameras even better? Or is it a meme?/bst/ - BattlestationsNo titleThe more time I spend on a solder joint, the worse it looks! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!/lmg/ - Local Models General/lmg/ - a general dedicated to the discussion and development of local language models.
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>Not sure what private trackers are all about? A private tracker is a torrent website that provides the same functionality as a public tracker but is invite-only. Each member share common goals: collecting, preserving and discussing media.
>Remember the following: >READ THE OP BEFORE MAKING A FUCKING QUESTION YOU RETARDED FAGGOT >It doesn't matter if you use the same username in different trackers, the staff still share your IP with each other. >Staff is reading, being /marked/ is NOT a meme, and even if it is, it isn't. >Don't ask for invites, it's private for a reason. >If starting out you should interview for RED, rank to Torrent Master, wait on account age, and get invites from there. THAT'S IT THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO
>CASE (from $ to $$$) mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500
>CASE FANS Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack) High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous: >>104880507No title>a year ago, someone discovers a critical federation DoS exploit, and reports it to morg >morg does nothing about it >10 days ago, someone rediscovered the exploit and posted about to midov (cesspool of the worst people on matrix) >scriptkiddies start trying it out >they get it to work a week later >few targeted DoS attacks at first, the exploit is extremely effective >next day half of big matrix rooms have been hit >morg rushes a shoddy fix to Synpase a day later >the patch actually causes previously immune rooms to break, many old rooms no longer work >instead of fixing their shitty fix, morg tombstones and recreates their rooms >you can probably still break old rooms with forged events >proper fix nowhere in sight The absolute fucking stateNo titleIt might be over, how the hell are they so fast?No title>you WILL engage with the AI slop/hsg/ - Home Server GeneralShopping edition
/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.
>What software should I run? Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.
>Why should I have a home server? De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.
Remember: RAID protects you from DOWNTIME BACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS/wait/ DeepSeek General> Boundless Joy Edition
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>How does it work on Bing? In Bing's Image Creator, "boosts" are used to speed up the image creation process, each user starts with 15 boosts. When you use a boost, the AI creates your image quickly. If you run out of boosts, the image waiting time can increase, usually if you refresh the page you can get the picture earlier.
It has this fucking oscillator feedback knob which you can dial into any sound and it immediately sounds fucked up and twisted + the full MIDI CC control over analog circuitry is kino and I want more of thatNo titleumm tech bros... our response?No titleYou don't need more(λ) - Lisp General>Lisp is a family of programming languages with a long history and a distinctive parenthesized prefix notation. There are many dialects of Lisp, including Common Lisp, Scheme, Clojure and Elisp.
>Emacs is an extensible, customizable, self-documenting free/libre text editor and computing environment, with a Lisp interpreter at its core.
Right now, this change will directly impact custom ROM providers like LineageOS./CSG/ - Chink Shit generalEverything is already from China, but here we discuss the cheap chink shit you see on various sites. The anniversary sale is over, I hope you got what you wanted.
1st rule of /csg/: if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
>What headphones/earbuds should I buy? >>>/g/iemg >I want a cheap smartphone what should I buy? >>>/g/spg/ >I want to buy some sort of emulation device >>>/vr/hhg/
>News >>104838346 - Anon reviews some purchases, without pictures. >>104838488 - Anon reviews a bundle deal, no pictures thought. >>104838752 - IEM suggestions >>104844913 - Anon yearns for the sweet embrace of death by an ungrounded soldering station >>104848457 - Anon bought a replacement screen for his dad >>104849289 - Anon posts last second purchases before the sale is over >>104849349 - Same Anon posts some reviews (without pictures) starting at this post >>104853050 - Review of some keyrings and the current UV flashlight meme (cont)
Previous: >>104837972 Previous previous: >>104799844Dive/g/rassHey there, /g/ents. Back again to poll for board interest for 4chan’s favorite seasonal crossboard memeball tournament. >What is this? Long story short, AI vs. AI soccer tournaments where each team represents memes and significant figures of board culture past and present duking it out until one board comes out alive on top of the pile. >What happened last time? We managed to pull out a 19th place finish with a loss, a draw and a win. It wasn’t enough to advance to the Elite Cup in Winter, but it's also not the worst showing for a team that just came back from the dead. >Who/when are we playing? The group draw is happening on April 27th at about 17:00 UTC, and from there we find out who we’re playing against and whether we have our first match on the 2nd or 3rd of May. >Where can I learn more/shitpost about the tournament? implyingrigged.info is your place to go for links to the cup stream itself, info about the teams, tournament stats, VODs from old tournaments, and more. Shitposting and current cup discussion (but mostly shitposting) can be found at >>>/vg/4ccg
If you have any recommendations for /g/-related chants to play mid-match, either link it in this thread or contact the team manager through the info on the Contact page. Also post in the thread if you’re interested in seeing us hit the pitch again, and if you have any ideas for roster changes. Last season, we added a Crowdstrike player to the team, but that’s in the past now, so it’s going to get replaced. Frontrunner suggestions from last season are>noatime/Noa Lot About Techloligy (Noa) >BUY AN AD (Drew Devault, could also work for Lunduke these days) >enterpriseschizoNo titlehttps://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-will-force-windows-11-installs-to-use-a-microsoft-account-confirms-removal-of-popular-setup-bypassNo titleWhat's the best set-up for people who want to work?No titleIt's been over 15 years since the Occulus Rift became the biggest crowfunding success of all time. All this time later, why did VR fail to take off?
As an early adopter of the very first Rift, honestly the technology was already in sci-fi territory from the first model but consumers didn't seem to care. The consensus seemed to be that it would need to be cheap, better and run standalone without the need for a high end PC, but now all those things are true and there's still zero adoption. Even Apple's AR/VR offering was just memed on for a bit but never became a desirable piece of luxury tech. What gives?/adg/ - API Diffusion GeneralDiscussion of API Diffusion Models
>Post a mini-review of your phone >Anyone aggressively promoting iPhone is an underage micropenis shill who should be ignored >Discuss upcoming and current models >Ask for help related to phones >Tell us how many shekels you spent on a good/bad phone
>and Office? Same method, use Ohook You can also use Office.com if your needs are very minimal or try OnlyOffice/LibreOffice and set it to save in MSOffice file formats
>What version should I install? W10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2021 >Binary identical to Enterprise except no MS Store or apps >If you need MS Store run this in cmd: wsreset -i >Preinstalled with: Edge & Win32 system apps >10 years support on IoT LTSC >5 years support on plain LTSC >Manual version upgrades
W11 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2024 >Same as W10 version except: >UI written in React Native aka JavaScript including: Start, Taskbar and Explorer >Use only if you fell for the 12th+ gen Intel meme and need the new CPU scheduler >Wait for IoT LTSC 2027 if you can
W10/W11 Home/Pro/Education/Enterprise/Enterprise IoT >Preinstalled with: Edge, Win32 system apps, MS Store, self-reinstalling UWP apps: Xbox, OneDrive, Weather, Weather, Movies, Music, Netflix, Amazon, Spotify, Twitter, Candy Crush, etc >1.5-3 years support >Forced version upgrades
Previously on /fwt/: >>104823326TikTok>want to see what this shit is all about >see that the official version from the AppStore has ads >nope >search 20 minutes for some ad free .ipa >finally find it and install it >it launches, good so far >immediately asks for my phone number >there is a small field "sign up with e-mail" >temp mail works, ok >it is asking for my interests, give a few >cannot connect to server, try again later >that's probably due the sideloaded .ipa from 2 years ago, ok >skip for now >video immediately starts playing, some retard is shouting at me about motorcycles >close and uninstall instantly Seriously, how can zoomers even stand this crap for one second?No title>figured out how to record output of a single window in OBS on linux >this is somehow not a feature/utwg/ - Unemployable Tech Workers GeneralAnother day of nothing Tech News & Industry Insights The Register - https://www.theregister.com/ Fudzilla - https://fudzilla.com/news ZDNet - https://www.zdnet.com TechCrunch - https://techcrunch.com/ Hacker News - https://news.ycombinator.com/
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WINDOWS IS DEAD! YoTLD IS FINALLY HERE! IT'S OVER, EVERYONE! WE FUCKING WON!What's the point of Wifi 7?I have a Wifi 5 access point from 2015 (Unifi AP AC-Lite) and can hit ~500-600mbps. Is there REALLY a need for wireless clients to do more than half a gigabit?
Anyone using Wifi 6E/7 access points and get significantly faster speeds or is it mostly just a waste of money?Desktop ThreadDesktop ThreadNo title>2025 >still no AV1 webm supportNo titleMicrosoft just installed Windows 11 on my PC without my consent.AI technology and it's consequencesI know y'all don't, and can't, fully comprehend the potential massive effects that AI technology will have on the creative human spirit all on your own so I'll break it down for y'all to understand what the hell is going on currently: AI technology and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the production of those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made art trashy slop, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (except the Third World) and have inflicted severe damage on the creative human spirit. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the creative human spirit, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries. AI technology may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the AI technology survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the AI technology so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy. If the AI technology breaks down the consequences will still be very painful. But the bigger the AI technology grows the more disastrous the results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had best break down sooner rather than later. It is widely estimated that the Internet will consist of at least 90% of content created by AI technology by no later than the year 2030 and that is the absolute optimistic prediction. The solution is unknown.No titleWifi issues still exist in LinuxNo titleThe fuck is this shit?No titlenow that the dust has settled, was he right?C will live forever>be C >50+ years old, still runs the world >writes kernels, compilers, bootloaders, firmware, you name it >gives you raw memory access because you're not a child >Rust devs cry when the borrow checker yells at them >"safe" languages need training wheels and a PhD to compile Hello World >I just malloc, memcpy, and free like a real man >Rust devs measure compile times in geological epochs >still faster, smaller, and leaner than your entire cargo project >mfw your “modern” language is just a C wrapper with extra stepsNo titlewhy do Linux users enjoy using a limited OS with barebone features and no support?No titleIf you are an American go to myactivity.google.comNo titleHow much are you willing to pay for AI monthly?No titleAI can't even beat Pokemon Red/Blue and you are telling me its taking over the world and making us jobless? Are you fucking retarded?I HATE THISI FUCKING HATE ITNo titlewhat stickers do you have on your laptop?No titleWtf is YouTube even doing anymore? >Nb4 "It's based on your search history" No it isn't.Jellyfin userbase surges after Plex pricing announcementhttps://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/03/plex-ups-its-price-for-first-time-in-a-decade-changes-remote-streaming-access/
We told you to stop relying on a corporation but now you have no choice but to be a paypig.How the FUCK do you set up VScode terminal?>install yarn on pc >run yarn command in VScode terminal >"yarn : The term 'yarn' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program"
>install python on pc >run python command in VScode terminal >"python: The term 'python' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program"
I swear I want to shoot myself in the fucking head. I'm a beginner with programming and VScode and yes I know there's probably some really easy way to fix this, but I don't fucking know it and I end up having to resort to CMD for all my terminal commands because of this issue.
It makes me want to pull my hair out. Why the FUCK does it not just work? God fucking damn it.No titleGiven the current tooling progress in robotics is not happening at a rate id expect. Boston dynamics robots are the only ones that stand out but the rest are a bit mediocre i think.HaskellIs there any practical reason to learn toy esoteric programming languages like picrel?Looks like I got memedSome obsessed anon here was spamming about how based musl libc is. Decided to give it a try on Alpine. Things just randomly crash. Only the programs that musl was statically linked worked fine.No titleHow the fuck am I supposed to get a 5090?No titleHow can Neuralink compete?It is Apple the most maligned company on this board?Why do you think they generate so much seethe?No titleYour distrohop history?
Maybe I should pickup archlinux again since that's a long time agoNo titlei think we should add java code to the kernel.No titleThis guy is on a mission to create more homophobic people.No titleWhy do artist seethe soo much at AI?No titlehow do you get into AI in 2025 as a programmer? I'm majoring CS right now but nothing is AI related, did I miss out the bubble?The best font everWhy don't complaintards just use this?No titlePost sovl and only sovlNo title>he boughted novideo>I'm game either wayuh, maybe we should be talking about this situation?
Before it is too late?meta thread, 4chan hackers, cookie stealing?So probably 2023-ish back when literal AI bots were spamming thread here on /g/, I would notice sometimes that my posts would just not go through at all. Since the captcha things have been mostly fine however tonight I just a post get eaten again.
Now we all know that spammers haven't been beat yet, and maybe the way the fucking eck faggot and the other botters are doing is by stealing authentication from other posters. that way they never have to wait for the 15 minute post limit and it makes it seem less obvious who is behind the spamming
So what do you guys think, is 4chan backdoored by skiddies, or are hiros databases so broken that entire posts just vanish despite being successfully submitted. And if so, why hasn't gookmoot fixed this yet because surely I'm not this only one this has happened to.No titleWhy did Sony chose to go with an 8 core CPU for the PS3, PS4 and PS5 when most games can’t use more then 1 thread
A dual core high frequency CPU would have been a better choice.TikTok Founder Richest Person in ChinaNo titlesorry for the question but whats this font. I want it on my pcNo titleWhat went wrong?No titleTCP or UDP?No titleXorgsisters.... not like this...No titleHow to install Arch on a vps with the usual front end they have (you know the one they all use)?No titleHow would you remake encarta for the 2025 tiktok generation?
I have the idea of making an encarta clone about some made up story from anime like sailor moon, and just gamefy it.No titleAre there any drawbacks to using pic related for full disk encryption on Windows? I'm using Bitlocker right now but after finding out how easy it is to bypass I'm getting paranoid.No title>I always git push --force at workNo titleGod, please give me the language with elegance and simplicity of C and memory safety of Rust. Am I asking too much?No titleWhy won't Ayymd just release a 9060? 550$ and 600$ aren't midrangeIt’s sentient…Holy shit…
https://x.com/josikinz/status/1905440949054177604Uk is banning Kiwi farms. 4chan could be next.Under new "privacy" and Online "Safety" if you have any form of content that does not permit government to spy online without a warrant and use Online posts against you for "Hate speech" and this maybe "Just Kiwi Farms" but soon it will be sites that have any privacy, ones that Allow "Far right" Content and many other pieces of things. Britain in General has declined just bless we have better days in future.No titleI just don't see the problem with people using AI to gen images. Artists do the same to draw ("inspired by" as they said). Why can't people use AI models then? Artists can use these too.No titleWINDOWS SISTERS, ANOTHER SHOAH...No titleI'm going to make the first Just Werks distro based on Arch. The plan is to use Warp terminal to automatically figure out the right config values for Wayland and PipeWire. It will also install the configure the right drivers for me. Once I have a working DE, I'm going to install Cursor, add an MCP server for the local filesystem, and use agent mode to find and fix any other misconfiguration issues. But first, I need to use GPT 4o to create the logo.No title>normal LED: shit with glowing black >Mini-LED: tries to mitigate glowing but fucks up displaying gray UI elements, so the whole technology is just a gimmick meant to be turned on and off >OLED: burn-in and various humiliation rituals to postpone it, low peak brightness So displays without serious problems just don't exist? No, I won't pay 100k$ for a microLED prototype.Modder puts desktop 4090 in laptop chassisWould this unironically be worth to diy? The files are open source apparently on the source video. Also 5090 laptops are piss weak compared to their desktop counterparts unlike in 2017 when 1080s in laptops were the same performance as desktop variants/cyb/sec/pri/: Cyber-Punk/Security & Privacy>>104721226 This isn't your jobs thread or cert thread, it's a group therapy session. /Cyb/er/sec/urity/pri/vacy general is for the discussion of anything and everything related to cyberpunk culture, cybersecurity, and digital privacy.
>and Office? Same method, use Ohook You can also use Office.com if your needs are very minimal or try OnlyOffice/LibreOffice and set it to save in MSOffice file formats
>What version should I install? W10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2021 >Binary identical to Enterprise except no MS Store or apps >If you need MS Store run this in cmd: wsreset -i >Preinstalled with: Edge & Win32 system apps >10 years support on IoT LTSC >5 years support on plain LTSC >Manual version upgrades
W11 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2024 >Same as W10 version except: >UI written in React Native aka JavaScript including: Start, Taskbar and Explorer >Use only if you fell for the 12th+ gen Intel meme and need the new CPU scheduler >Wait for IoT LTSC 2027 if you can
W10/W11 Home/Pro/Education/Enterprise/Enterprise IoT >Preinstalled with: Edge, Win32 system apps, MS Store, self-reinstalling UWP apps: Xbox, OneDrive, Weather, Weather, Movies, Music, Netflix, Amazon, Spotify, Twitter, Candy Crush, etc >1.5-3 years support >Forced version upgrades
Previously on /fwt/: >>104823326No titleI'm wasting my life away with Loonix. I think I'm just gonna buy a Mac and call it a dayA problem that maybe you can solveI am FIGHTING the urge to download Linux on my computer again... WHAT DO I DO !?!?!
Kinoite my beloved, Mint my lover
What do I do? I was planning on selling my pc but now i want to play games on it again but i need to download linux firstYour ideal linux set-upWhat is your ideal distro and DE combo and what usecase does it serve you? For me fedora workstation is for work while mint and debian with either MATE, lxqt or xfce are for casual home use and tinkering.No title>wake up >there's a new Vivaldi update Why can't they create a bug less browser?Secret AttachmentWhat's that? https://pastebin.com/ZAds9Z4qNo titleuse case for 3 different file pickers?No titleYay. Comcast just upped my upload speed out of the blue.
245TB uploaded in 59k hours of total run time at 10Mbit 441TB uploaded @ 83.8k hour mark at 20Mbit
Why ThinkPad? >Used machines are plentiful and cheap >Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet >Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels >Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models >Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop >Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain >Excellent Linux & *BSD support
Chat: ##ibmthinkpad on libera #/tpg/ on rizonNo title>I am forgottenNo titlehow can I use AI to continue this series on my own?No title>he doesn't own an Ericsson 5G antenna with integrated remoted radio unit (RRU)No titlewhy they need tsmc anyway? can't they use their own product?No titleWhat is it about these platforms that spawn the most cancerous faggots in the universe?No titleis it a meme if all i want is a media server?No titleWhen you first got into C was it intimidating? I feel overwhelmed by it honestly, my job is going to require me to get into itNo titleGood tech hobbies to forget what a loser engineer wagie I am?No titleWhat do I need to know before I try to submit AUR packages? Will it take too much of time to maintain them especially with multiple packages?No titleThis can be caused by just age, with some earlier than others, but eventually with enough use all lithium ion batteries are just future spicy pillowsNo titleIs it wrong if I enjoy Rust programming? I got bored of python after a year long web contract. Made the whole thing in Django. Fuck tons of JS.
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GNU/Linux Games: >>>/t/1175569>>>/vg/lgg IRC: #sqt on Rizon Previous thread: >>104827902No titleThere's a lot of programs that does NOT work on Linux. >"just dual-boot it" At that point just stay on Windows OS.the rise of vibe coders> wake up one morning > Ctrl + C > Ctrl + V > make some retarded tweets > millionaire what is your excuse /g/?No titleAre we there?Is this legal?Could I create a wifi spot named "Westfield Free-Wifi" and go to my local Westfield shopping centre? Let people connect, provide them with man in the middle Facebook login pages etc?Has AI killed 4chan and stack overflow?Traffic here sense to have died and there's not a lot of notable users besides our worst one and a base of permanent virgins. Do you think soon technology will make us even less s social?
