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Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZs1zJ41nHw >yeah this book is only 600 pages, I've read it over the weekend
How the fuck do you even do this? Novels are so big, and the most I can do is read 20 pages a day at most, even in a pocket format, I read slowly and often act the stuff out in my head. It's much easier with the audiobooks, since I'm much better at at digesting the stuff I hear, but it feels like cheating and I don't have audio versions of the non-fiction stuff I need to study. How do you train yourself to read faster? what does it mean when you get bored of music, games, movies, and every other form of entertainment but suddenly you got interested in books? Has anyone read this book? Thoughts on it? How applicable is the romantic philosophy of Victor Hugo in the modern era? Do you think it stands the test of time? Many years ago I read the Epic of Gilgamesh, I just grabbed a book from the store without even knowing that there are multiple versions of the epic.
Do you have any recommendations for books which cover all the versions (Sumerian, Old Babylonia, Akkadian) and also some secondary literature/commentary to get a better understanding of the texts? /wwoym/ write what's on your mind
high trust edition
previous >>23324263 Shorter please, I don't have much time
And make sure to explain why Behold, the glorious prose of the last great American novelist. It's as if he would ask himself "Hmm, how can I write this in the worst possible way?" It's interesting that Chesterton seems to be something of a writer's writer. A lot of the great writers of the 20th Century held him in high esteem, especially his short stories, his novels, and his poetry. All the Inklings loved him, especially Lewis and Tolkien. Gene Wolfe loved him, too. Even Borges loved him.
Have you found Chesterton to be a great writer, /lit/? For all discussion related to the works of the philosopher Charles Sanders Peirce.
>“The entire universe is perfused with signs, if it is not composed exclusively of signs.” (5.448) >sitting outside in park after lunch
>enjoying the beautiful day
>digesting the food
>watching the wild life around the duck pond
>reading my book
>feel a dark presence descend upon me
>it gets eerily quiet
>can't hear any nature sounds
>the air feels tense
>*AHEM*
>HARRO!
Not today you Korean fuck. Lol, I didn't even let that fucker start his "HARRO WIRD YOU RIIIKE TO JERN MY KOREAN CHERCH" spiel. I immediatelybstood up when he cleared his throat and told that old faggot I'm not interested and walked away. I didn't even need to look up to know it was him. As soon as I felt the atmosphere change, I knew. Then I heard his fucking annoying retarded throat clearing and got the fuck out of his predatorial grasp.
Get fucked retard, and fuck you for ruining my afternoon in the park. What are some books about willpower? What was his fucking problem? J.K. Rowling writing Harry Potter at a café in Scotland in 1998 >anon says they don't like Lovecraft
>they're an esl who can't even understand basic plot points
Every fucking time. Why do we let these illiterate barbarians use our board? Just finished this book. Thank you to the anon that recommended it i love you.
Very fun book but the ending of the 2nd story has some annoying plot holes. Also what rhailto did in the end is absurdly evil. I didn’t expect him to do it seeing as he acted a lot kinder especially in the first story and the beginning of the second. 
When Kant says there is something "out there" one has to recognize this is pure metaphor. It is not the sensible; it is not nature; it is nothing that can be ordered with the categories of thought: the Ding an sich is unknown and in principle unknowable, and any claim that phenomena correspond in some way to the Ding an sich, whatever it may be, is to commit the error of applying the categories of substance and causality beyond (per Kant) their only legitimate domain. In other words, by claiming there is someting "out there" (metaphorically speaking of course since space is idiosyncratic to humans) you have already passed beyond applying the Categories to proximate causes and matter (what Kant calls 'phenomenal substance") and attempted the theoretical use of the Categories beyond phenomena to that which lies beyond phenomena, and therefore beyond experience. From the standpoint of the theoretical use of reason, even this use is forbidden according to Kantian principles.
Basically, for the same reasons that reason in its theoretical use cannot obtain knowledge about the Soul, Freedom, or God, reason in its theoretical use cannot obtain knowledge even of the Ding an sich. It is, in effect, an object of faith or belief, in the same way the other Ideas of Reason are.
As far as Spinoza's and Leibniz's speculations about what the Ding an sich is, for Kant that is a moot point, having no possible way to affirm their truth or falsity since they are beyond experience. And this is why Kant is so devastating to metaphysics in the traditional sense of "the science of Being qua Being" since we cannot know anything other than Being qua phenomena.
Let me emphasize: the Ding an sich , "the real world", is not an actuality for Kant-- we do NOT KNOW it actually exists or is or whatever (in fact, even using words like existence or being is already a misuse of the categories of reality, substance, causality, etc,) It is, effectively, for us humans NOTHING. To put even more clear, even our concept of nothing does not correspond to it, since it can never be an object of our thought-- if we think we are thinking or talking about it WE. ARE. NOT. It cannot be spoken about; it cannot be conceived. Not even the word "Nothing" corresponds to it.
This is the logical conclusion of the Kantian system-- the missing capstone of the Great Pyramid. what books should one read before experimenting with psychedelics? has jung said anything on the subject? i've only read "modern man in search of soul" and while i got the strong impression he was for their use i can't remember any specific passage refering to them. Hegel? Heidegger? Plato? Aristotle? Who? What are your favorite memoirs? 
>When Austen was twenty, Tom Lefroy (the future Lord Chief Justice of Ireland), a neighbour, visited Steventon from December 1795 to January 1796. He had just finished a university degree and was moving to London for training as a barrister. Lefroy and Austen would have been introduced at a ball or other neighbourhood social gathering, and it is clear from Austen's letters to Cassandra that they spent considerable time together: "I am almost afraid to tell you how my Irish friend and I behaved. Imagine to yourself everything most profligate and shocking in the way of dancing and sitting down together."
>Austen wrote in her first surviving letter to her sister Cassandra that Lefroy was a "very gentlemanlike, good-looking, pleasant young man".[65] Five days later in another letter, Austen wrote that she expected an "offer" from her "friend" and that "I shall refuse him, however, unless he promises to give away his white coat", going on to write "I will confide myself in the future to Mr Tom Lefroy, for whom I don't give a sixpence" and refuse all others.[65] The next day, Austen wrote: "The day will come on which I flirt my last with Tom Lefroy and when you receive this it will be all over. My tears flow as I write at this melancholy idea".
Why are women like this, bros? Planning on consuming.
Which screen size do you guys read in? Should I buy the Clara or Libra? Cynic edition
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/wbg/ Worldbuilding General
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Welcome to /wbg/, the official thread for the discussion and development of fictional worlds and settings.
Here is where you can share the details of your created worlds such as lore, factions, magic systems, ecosystems and more. You can also post maps for your settings, as well as any relevant art, either created by you or used as inspiration for your work. Please remember that dialogue is what keeps the thread alive, so don't be afraid of giving someone feedback!
FAQ:
>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.
>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"
Worldbuilding, as already stated above, and contrary to what many believe, does not inherently imply blatantly copying Tolkien. In fact, there are many science-fiction setting out there, and even entire alternative history settings which do not possess supernatural elements at all. Any kind of science fiction book has an implied setting at least, which involves a certain degree of worldbuilding put into it.
Last Thread: >>23235266 People that say dialogue should only exist to move the plot are retarded. If I want to write a 1000 word dialogue between two characters sperging out about craft beer and hops to show that one of the characters is only superficially supportive of the other character's problems and only likes to have her around to sperg out about craft beer with, then I'll do just that.
Dialogue is an extension of character and you can never have enough of it. I hate this obsession with minimalism and prose being a mechanical, robotic vehicle for muh action and muh plot.
Let the characters sit in a restaurant and talk like human beings for god sake. Tarantino does it. Why in literature, especially in this modern age where everyone knows Tarantino and worships him (I don't) you'd think dialogue rules would be as loose as they are in those films. Looking for novels about discovering esoteric knowledge - doesn't have to be occult. Picrel's source book is nothing like the movie but it's along the lines of what I'd enjoy. Just someone who is devoted to seeking knowledge no matter the danger and/or cost. Because everything else is corrupted by the moralizers. Post your favorite art edition /pg/ - Poetry General
Post poetry, your own or otherwise, and discuss. Critique and discussion constantly in dire supply. If you're looking for critique, consider giving details on what exactly you're wishing to improve in the work(s). Why nobody buys a random novel, but if you add 20-30 anime pictures, people suddenly want to buy it? >Inb4 just do it!
Many people try, many people fail. What are these grinders doing different? Any literature written on sigma grindset? I have to admit, I find this very laborious to read, and I am not enjoying it at all. Does Homer simply not translate well to English? What are some books neckbeards read? How do I into William Lane Craig? I just marathoned this in 6 days. I enjoyed it. What are your thoughts on The Corrections by Johnathon Franzen? Do you believe in Intellektuelle Anschauung? Why or why not? FLAVIUS
Hence! Home, you idle creatures, get you home!
Is this a holiday? What, know you not,
Being mechanical, you ought not walk
Upon a laboring day without the sign
Of your profession?—Speak, what trade art thou?
CARPENTER Why, sir, a carpenter.
MARULLUS
Where is thy leather apron and thy rule?
What dost thou with thy best apparel on?—
You, sir, what trade are you?
COBBLER Truly, sir, in respect of a fine workman, I am
but, as you would say, a cobbler.
MARULLUS
But what trade art thou? Answer me directly.
COBBLER A trade, sir, that I hope I may use with a safe
conscience, which is indeed, sir, a mender of bad
soles.
FLAVIUS
What trade, thou knave? Thou naughty knave, what
trade? What is the most profound thing that you have ever read?
For me it’s pic related 
Literature has completely alienated me from my friends.
During the pandemic I read more than I ever had. Lots of classic literature and very little netflix or other pass times. I've kept up this habit since. During this time lots of my friends just drank themselves into obesity and binged netflix and ordered food delivery.
About two weeks ago I visited an old friend - he was basically just a drinking buddy - and I couldn't even get through an evening with him. All he could talk about was buying stuff, consuming, getting a bigger TV, a new car, a new phone. It was the most banal conversation I ever had. I tried to talk about anything else and it was impossible. I've had some similiar experiences with my other friends before, but this was by far the most unsettling.
I don't consider myself an intellectual by any means, or a snob. I just don't know how deal with that fact that:
A. I used to be a selfish consumer.
B. I can no longer identify with that way of life
C. Many of my old friends think engaging in anything beyond mindless consumption is gay
D. Literature has made me more critical of society, and alienated me from my old life Been reading some women's romance novels recently to fuel my hatred of modern women, and I want to hang myself. The prose, the characters, the dialogue; it's all the worst I've ever read. I know that these books are mostly just porn for women, but damn, can't publishers find some authors who don't suck to write these books? 
noobs in philosophy are normie naive realists. Their default mode is materialism. You can't just tell them "bro materialism is false bro bc it just is ok", you have to actually show them. Plato is too highbrow for them at their present stage; they won't "get" him because the Ideas are not even a possibility for them. But Kant gets down to their level, uses this normie midwit state of consciousness as the starting point for his system and leads his readers to see the falsehood of materialism, to despair of the consequences of the combination of this falsehood with the limitations of the normie midwit mind, and only then even begin to understand the significance of Plato. Through Kant's meticulous analysis of the mind, and likewise meticulous investigation into what the conditions of knowledge of a transcendent realm would be, and also whether the knowledge derived from this preceding analysis reveals the mind to conform to these conditions, the reader is provided with possibly the best material with which to develop a system under which the analysis of mind would find it (the mind) commensurate to the task of knowing a supersensible reality: the intelligible or ideal realm--- the realm of the noumena in a positive sense, in the sense of actualities, in the sense of the noumena as real rather than simply products of our subjective imagination. From this point, the transition to the study of Plato would be a natural and satisfying decision for the reader, and he would be able to really appreciate Plato. Don't listen to the naive realist materialust normie faggots. Read Kant, but don't be a dilettante, because then you're just wasting your time and you'll end up being another one of those anons seetheposting everyday because they got filtered but blame the author instead because they have fragile egos. Take it seriously and maybe you might develop intellectual intuition, or as some call it, the third eye, and see the noumenal realm for yourself. >when we compare the thoughts that an author expresses about a subject, in ordinary speech as well as in writing, it is not at all unusual to find that we understand him even better than he understood himself, since he may not have determined his concept sufficiently and hence sometimes spoke, or even thought, contrary to his own intention”
-KrV A 314/B 370, tr. 396 So according to Nietzsche there has been nothing that fused the Apollonian and Dionysian since Greek Tradegy? Thats kind of retarded. Give some examples of works that clearly did. Anybody here read it yet? Roald Dahl is a fucking moron Does the Quran just resonate with people better? Christianity is dying while Islam grows. Does this settle which holy text is does it's job better? >As the dialogue argues, Being (ὄν) and the One (ἕν) can be said of all, and neither can be primary. The problem, then, is how to understand the unity of the ἰδέα if it also is. There must be a difference between One and Being if they can be said to constitute a multiplicity, but the difference cannot be or be one. If, as Heidegger argues, Being is difference itself, we arrive at an understanding of difference that does not efface itself in favour of the identical, and an understanding of Being that does not get conflated with beings.
Wtf, so Heidegger was like a German proto-Deleuze? Wow. "And yet this constant if ambiguous turning away from the nothing accords, within certain limits, with the most proper significance of the nothing. In its nihilation the nothing directs us precisely towards beings. The nothing nihilates incessantly without our really knowing of this occurrence in the manner of our everyday knowledge."
and this banger:
"In this way the above thesis in its main features has been proven: the nothing is the origin of negation, not vice versa. If the power of the intellect in the field of inquiry into the nothing and into Being is thus shattered, then the destiny of the reign of 'logic' in philosophy is thereby decided. The idea of 'logic' itself disintegrates in the turbulence of a more original questioning." What was your favorite moment? For me it was Leonard forcing Suttree to help sink his (Leonard's) dead father in the river >Just follow your own rational self interest, bro
Isn't it in someone's rational self interest to have a functioning society instead of being a greedy capitalist pig who disregards everyone and everything save for their wealth and power? According to the internet a novel on average ranges from 70,000 words to 120,000 words.
Does this mean i arguably have finished 10% of my book?
If so that would be an uplifting thought.
My biggest worry is not getting to the 70,0000 or having to stretch to get it over it.
I've mostly written 3 chapters (everything but more edditing) and am working on a 4th; is this a good rate for 7,000 words?? sometime in 3rd grade we read a story about a time travelling girl that would torture people to death, and then she gets raped and killed by jack the ripper
anyone know the name of it? I think it was also a twilight zone episode. pic unrelated 
What Kant was trying to do was tell philosophers
>why the fuck are you trying to run "does God exist.exe", "Total Annihilation" and "Do we have a soul.exe", at the same time on a 1998 IBM you fucking retard. It doesn't have the specs to handle it.
But some other retard had to say
>works fine on my machine
So Kant had to lay, in detail, the specs of the computer, what could be added, what came with the manufacturer, what could be inputted/ outputted, as well as all the general principles of a 1998 shitbox, so he could try to definitely say what programs could be run and what couldn't.
This analogy is useful in explaining the limitation of the human intellect, but fortunately the human brain as material correlate to the human intellect is organic and capable of growth and change in a way an inorganic electronic computer is not. To run DoesGodExist.exe on an inorganic electronic computer you would need a computer that already had those specs, if not, you'd have to get a new computer, or upgrade with after market parts; on an organic computer, you can start with one that may not be able to run it yet, but can, in time, develop and grow itself to be able to run it. And the same goes with the human body. In fact, this is what I believe the Greys to be. Imagine the intellectual capacities of beings with significantly more vast and complex neural matter correlate, even a more complex physiological matter correlate as a whole. Kant actually addresses this in the first critique as well:
>It is, moreover, not necessary that we should limit the mode of intuition in space and time to the sensuous faculty of man. It may well be that all finite thinking beings must necessarily in this respect agree with man (though as to this we cannot decide)...
>It may be true that there are intelligible existences to which our faculty of sensuous intuition has no relation
>...the categories do in some measure really extend further than sensuous intuition, inasmuch as they think objects in general, without regard to the mode (of sensibility) in which these objects are given. But they do not for this reason apply to and determine a wider sphere of objects, because we cannot assume that such can be given, without presupposing the possibility of another than the sensuous mode of intuition...
>we cannot form the most distant conception of the possibility of an understanding which should cognize an object, not discursively by means of categories, but intuitively in a non-sensuous intuition...
and so on. Recommend me some Brazilian novels in English /lit/. What holds up best in translation? I'm more than halfway through and I still don't fully understand what this is about. Is that the point? What, no shelf thread? This is the one in my bedroom. 
>About a century ago, some of the most important publishing houses of the twentieth century—Insel, Gallimard, and Mercure de France—were born or were taking their first steps. They had two features in common: they had been founded by a group of friends who were more or less affluent and marked by certain literary ambitions; and, before becoming publishing houses, they had been literary journals: Die Insel, La Nouvelle Revue Française, and Mercure de France. Then the figures who were to become the publishers—Anton Kippenberg, Gaston Gallimard, and Alfred Vallette—found their way with books. A similar experience would be unthinkable today since conditions have changed. Among other things, the category of literary journal no longer exists, or at least it has lost the subtle and discreet relevance it used to have.
>If we ask what bound those small groups of friends together in the early 1900s, the answer is found not in what they wanted (often fairly vague and confused) but in what they rejected. And it was a form of taste in the sense in which Nietzsche used the word, as “instinct of self-defense” (“Not to see, not to hear so many things, not to let them near—first clear indication, first proof that we are not chance, but a necessity”). This passage to book publishing must indeed have been a clever move if it proved so effective. Today, a hundred years later and two generations on from its founder, Gallimard is the leading publishing house in France and is still recognizable for a certain “Gallimard taste” which makes it possible to detect more or less whether a book may or may not be a Gallimard title. Though everything around has changed, the physiology of taste that bound those small groups of friends together would be an excellent antidote today in certain publishing houses caught up in periodic concerns about their fading image or lack of identity. But at that point it would also become apparent that taste is no longer, for the most part, wrapped in that fabric of sensibility, which has become a cloth rent with holes larger than the fabric itself.
Why have literary journals lost the subtle and discreet relevance they used to have? other posts you know like these? have sent some of my own before, perhaps conciser woman conquered fantasy
what genre is next? It's laughable anyone thinks Infinite Jest is as good as Gravity's Rainbow. David Foster Wallace wouldn't have necked himself if has work was anywhere near as good as what he ripped off. so... what was the deal with this thing? >favorite poet
>what you're listening to right now So /lit/ What are you’re thoughts on this book? What are some must reads about Lincoln's war? Thoughts on Ashbery? Any favorite poems or collections by him that you want to recommend or discuss? What do you think of some critics' accusations that his work is meaningless? What are some books about propaganda? I've always loved this book and its sequel (Iron Sunrise). They are 90s end-of-history political intrigue mixed with realistic space combat, like in The Expanse. When are we going to get an adaptation?? >Highsmith [author of the Tom Ripley books, and Strangers on a Train] proudly called herself a “Jew hater” and referred to the Holocaust as “the semicaust”, claiming that its genocide had not gone far enough. Her attitudes to other races were just as foul. “She was an equal opportunity offender,” one friend said. “You name the group, she hated them.”
H O L Y B A S E D
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That’s according to a recently released survey by the Society of Authors, which heard from over 800 of their members about how they’re feeling about emergent technologies and their impact on their creative work.
The Society, a UK-based trade organization that has been advising and campaigning for writers, illustrators, and literary translators for over a century, found that its members are curious but extremely wary of new generative technology.
This isn’t a universally skeptical crowd: 22% of respondents say they have used generative programs in their work, and 31% have used them for brainstorming. This number was lower than I might have guessed. Artists have always embraced the experimental possibility of new materials and tools, and that so few are using AI underscores the deep and widespread ethical and reputational concerns around this tech. In fact, the survey found that “even those respondents who were more optimistic…reiterated that ethical concerns are a primary reason to avoid the use of generative AI systems at this stage.”
There’s also the crucial factor that this tech hasn’t shown an ability to make art that is good or interesting, and has only found a fanbase amongst the worst guys you’ve ever seen.
The survey also found that AI is already cutting into people’s work. A quarter of illustrators (26%) and over a third of translators (36%) say they’ve lost work due to generative AI, and a higher percentage—37% of illustrators and 43% of translators—say the income for their work has decreased because of generative tech. It seems like this programming is already working as intended.
https://lithub.com/more-than-a-third-of-translators-think-theyve-already-lost-work-to-ai/ Why do pessimistic philosophers have so much to say than optimistic ones? What is the point in writing if I will never be him? Books that explain this phenomenon? 
I wrote a story, what do you all think?
The library was abustle with the sound of students writing their work. The examinations they were preparing for had plagued their troubled minds for weeks, for the egregiously studious minded ones for months on end now, and the pressure was on. Not a single solitary mind in the studio of knowledge that day was unfocused, their eyes either on a screen or a line of text on an overpriced or loaned textbook. Yes, they were all prepared and ready in their pursuit for knowledge. Not a single mind was going to break the silence.
"Guohhhhh".
The moan had come from the James Joyce section. A look revealed a man, or perhaps a late teenager in a Minecraft creeper hoodie with his head in his hands, scrambled and grasping through his greasy brown hair.. He was rocking back and forth before the section housing a mini library in itself of tomes upon tomes dedicated to works unraveling the mysterious Irishman's prose and at times garbled messages, but the man cared naught for that. He was only concerned with getting the bad thoughts out. It seemed.
"GrUOOOOOOOH".
Another groan. A slam of a fist on the ground. He gotted a book from the shelf and hit it hard on the ground.
"GUUOOOOOOOOOOH!"
He screamed and banged the book on the ground, the walls, turning it to the site and banging the spine hard hard HARD on the bookshelf which made a ding noise. Scared onlookers scrambled for safety.
"GHAROOGA!!!"
THE CRAZED FUCKER SCREAMED AND STARTED CHUCKING BOOKS FROM THE SHELF GRABBING ULYSSES AND CHUCKING IT AT SOME DUMB BITCH SHE WPULDNT READ IT ANYWYA AND STOMPED AND BONGED AND GRONGED GRONGAAAA YRUOHHAHHAHAHAHAHAYAYAYAYAYHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHHSHZHXHHCHCHZJZNZBXNX FNNRNENEDMLSLELEOEIUEJEJ GROONGAS GUGHS GOGHS GOGHANGGGGGSSSSSSSS
riverrun, past
FUUUUUUUUCK
grongh
It was done. It was all done
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He knew it was .
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G >authors write books to be remembered forever
>they will be forgotten just like any common barely literate schmuck in the future https://www.elysian.press/p/no-one-buys-books
The U.S. publishing industry is driven by celebrity authors and repeat bestsellers, according to testimony from a blocked merger between Penguin Random House and Simon & Schuster. Only 50 authors sell over 500,000 copies annually, with 96% of books selling under 1,000 copies. Publishing houses spend most of their advance money on celebrity books, which along with backlist titles like The Bible, account for the bulk of their revenue and fund less commercially successful books. What am I in for? New to reading by the way Does anyone else have "Book-Wear Anxiety"?
When I buy a brand new paperback, I'm often times so awed by it's beauty (The crisp page edges, the smooth spine, the unblemished cover) that I get legit anxiety around handling the book and creasing the spine and knowing my thumbs will eventually stain the edges of the pages where I hold them. Sometimes it's so bad that I can't even bring myself to read the book until I've washed my hands and even then I only open the book as little as possible for me to read.
I know that a "pristine book is an unread book", but still, it bothers me and I don't know how to overcome these feelings. What's the best English translation of Dickens novels? I already chose my Dumas and Dosto translations but what about Dickens? 
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT DIVINATION
This is week 3 of your "Meditations on the Tarot" (MOTT) book club
The subject for this week is: THE HIGH PRIESTESS (pages 29 to 49)
If you haven't read it, you can do it now.
Next Saturday (May the 4th, 2024) the Arcana due is still THE HIGH PRIESTESS (I decided to have two weeks per chapter) but you will be, of course, welcome to post any insights, notes, questions regarding the previously read materials.
1. I packed MOTT & books most relevant to it into a convenient 184MB archive
link: https://files.catbox.moe/0ubl85.zip
There is also two auxiliary archives:
2. Holy Texts (Catholic study Bible + Tanakh w/ Hebrew-English parallel text 163MB)
link: https://files.catbox.moe/8j0iyi.zip
3. Tarot related (histoical, occult, and professional investigations 187MB)
link: https://files.catbox.moe/3tjyjx.zip
>Good podcasts related to MOTT:
https://podtail.com/es/podcast/the-christian-mysticism-podcast/
https://shwep.net/podcast/ (the person is LGBT, but fortunately a professional so can successfully abstain 99.95% of the time)
>Good music to listen while reading MOTT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lS_Y-aNJwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Clq0rDR-w
>Archive:
Week 1 Chapter 1: >>23283755
Week 2 Chapter 1: >>23307690
>Note:
Additional books are only to be discussed if relevant to the current (or previous) MOTT chapter we are discussing. Post and Discuss Books about history, all eras and locations welcomed Is this guy a must read philosopher? just horny? Seems like he gets constant criticism for "misogyny" but I don't put stock in that given how they say that about anything mildly critical of a character whose a fucking woman.
I read a few pages into 1Q84 and I definitely see the horniness. Is that what is being negatively reacted to? >you should fear charismatic leaders bruh!
Is that seriously the entire point of this fucking book? Why is it so highly regarded? Why is the Fremen religion treated as something silly when magic and fate are real things within the Dune universe?
If someone could literally predict the future, wouldn't you view them as a messiah too? How could the Fremen religion be a fake religion constructed by the Bene Gesserit when their prophecy comes true? If the point is that it's a commentary on the nature of self-fulfilling prophecies, that's silly given the fact that supernatural elements exist within the world of Dune.
Frank Herbert communicated his point so poorly he had to write an entire unplanned sequel about how Paul is actually LE EVIL SPACE HITLER. That's how shit this book is. I wanna start journaling again but I struggle to stay consistent with it. Do any anons here keep a journal? What kinds of things do you write about, and do you prefer using your computer/phone or writing by hand in a notebook? Post a random journal entry if you feel so inclined. Have you ever recorded an audiobook? I am looking into getting into the industry and would like the advise of anyone who has experience. I at the very least would like to make some audiobooks for books that don't have one yet. I read a bit of this book and I just want to hear your opinions on it and its accuracy.
I'm sure we can have a peaceful and rational debate about this work. was Nietzsche really atheist? Just installed a rolly ladder piece on my bookshelves, lads! Wait, marxists expect the working class to read this boring snorefest of a pretentious ass book meditating on abstract shit in dry prose spamming 1000+ pages? The book just contains pages and pages of very obscure and rarefied descriptions of capitalism. It's not even a scathing critique of capitalism that it's touted to be, and It has nothing to do with political organizing or any call to action >novel is 80+% dialogue
Just write a play at that point. Fucking hacks. 'Start with the Greeks' was not a meme afterall. The Greeks seemed to have knew it all. >Plato, and all other ancient authors, supposedly had opinions not in line with liberal democracy.
>BUT this is only because they would've been persecuted if they stated their true opinions, and we can tell what their true opinions were by esoteric reading.
>Now how do we do this? I'll just invent whatever I want them to be saying and you'll listen to me. So yes, Plato was a liberal democrat.
lmfao how did this dude convince anyone What are you reading? I'm reading Ernst Cassirer until I pass out at 3:30AM Based on my tier list, what Murakami novel should I read next? Also, do you agree with my ratings? The time has finally come for me to tackle this beast.
Where should I start?
I want to learn the complete story from the rise to the fall. give me some schizo core books. the more esoteric/weird, the better. i have a feeling they may hold true knowledge past all the hand wavey bullshit, just think about it. continuously aiming and approximating and getting silly wit it is bound to lead us towards some unmovable truth. right anons? so far, i know of the kyblion, emerald tablet, secret teachings of all ages. post more Outsider men and prostitutes. Why is this such a recurring theme?
>Catcher in the Rye
>Notes from Underground
not books but
>Taxi Driver
>BR2049
I mean, we know the MCs are lonely but why have the need for a major scene where they visit a whore? Is it solely a male thing? Feel free to list any other examples/and or discuss. Is masturbation actually bad for you? What are some books that will help me decide one way or another? Once you pop you just can't stop. And how could you, given that nothing satisfies or indeed can ever satisfy the will, which is always striving and thus suffering as long as it is not satisfied; but no satisfaction is lasting; instead, it is only the beginning of a new striving. But there is no final goal of striving, and therefore no bounds or end to suffering, and for our constant struggle for more Pringles. >The room smelled of sex
What does sex smell like? This always breaks my immersion. >He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones.
>It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy.
wtf Orwell????? the bible was written by a jew 
>IN LIFE, A FUTURIST IS:
>Anyone who loves life,energy,joy,freedom, progress,courage,novelty, practicality, and speed.
>Anyone who acts quickly energetically, and does not hesitate out of cowardice
>Anyone who, caught between two possible decisions, prefers the more generous, the bolder one, provided it offers a greater perfection and development of the individual and his people
>Anyone who acts joyously, with his eye always on tomorrow, without remorse, splitting hairs, false modesty, rejecting all mysticisms and melancholy
>Anyone who is flexible enough to move, in a carefree manner, from the most serious matters to the most pleasurable pastimes
>Anyone who loves the open-air life, sport, and gymnastics, and pays close attention to the strength and agility of his own body, every day
>Anyone capable of delivering a punch or a knockout blow, at just the right moment, and who admires the Arditi and emulates them in his actions
>IN POLITICS, A FUTURIST IS:
>Anyone who cares for the progress of Italy more than for himself
>Anyone who wishes to abolish the papacy, parliamentarianism, the senate, and the bureaucracy
>Anyone who desires the abolition of conscription and the standing army, replacing them with a voluntary force, and the creation of a strong, vigorous, industrious, entirely free democracy, empty of all utopias and senile attitudes, and which is equally capable of staging a war or purging itself through revolution
>Anyone who through the abolition of the present police force wishes to modernize and improve all public-order institutions and encourage citizens to take charge of their own personal defense
>Anyone who wishes to hand over the government of Italy to the young soldiers who secured our tremendous victory
>Anyone who wishes to expropriate all uncultivated or badly cultivated land, bit by bit, thereby preparing for the distribution of land to its workers
>Anyone who wants to abolish every kind of industrial and capitalistic exploitation
>Anyone who wishes to ensure that all workers are adequately recompensed for their productive efforts
>Anyone who loves and desires every kind of freedom, apart from the freedom to be a coward, an exploiter, or anti-Italian
>IN ART, A FUTURIST IS:
>Anyone who thinks and expresses himself with originality,strength,liveliness,enthusiasm,clarity,simplicity, agility, and concision
>Anyone who loathes ruins, museums, cemeteries, libraries, cultural snobbery, the authority of professors, academicism, imitation of the past, purisms, matters long drawn out, and punctiliousness
>Anyone who rejects tragedies and plays performed in a hushed atmosphere and instead prefers the caféconcert, where the audience smokes, laughs, and joins in with the actors, lightheartedly, free of dreariness and boredom
>Anyone who wants to modernize, revive, and brighten up Italian art, freeing it from imitation of the past, from traditionalism and academicism, and encouraging all the most audacious creations of the young artist I want to write in third person omniscient, so lets say i am describing something happening to the main character, so he is about to be clobbered. I want to be able to shift btn him having no idea what's happening and the attacker's perspective towards the beginning of the attack. Are there any rules against this? I have heard editors talk about it on youtube but it doesn't seem like a particularly rigid rule, it seems more like a preference for them. You now remember being a kid. Don't feel ashamed, it's important to remember. What do I read first? The Rig Veda? The Bhagavad-gītā? Upanishads? Sankara? >Hoffmann admires the way “Beethoven’s mighty genius oppresses the musical rabble; they rebel in vain against it;” a few sentences later he asserts that Beethoven “separates his Ego [Ich] from the inner realm of sounds and rules over it as unlimited lord [unumschränkter Herr].”
But I thought Beethoven was an enlightened liberal... "The Jew, who is known to have a God all to himself, first attracts our attention in everyday life through his outward appearance, which, regardless of which European nationality we belong to, has something unpleasantly foreign to that nationality: we involuntarily wish to have nothing in common with a person who looks like that."
"Der Jude, der bekanntlich einen Gott ganz für sich hat, fällt uns im gemeinen Leben zunächst durch seine äußere Erscheinung auf, die, gleichviel welcher europäischen Nationalität wir angehören, etwas dieser Nationalität unangenehm Fremdartiges hat: wir wünschen unwillkürlich mit einem so aussehenden Menschen Nichts gemein zu haben."
This is appalling! Let's discuss Chinese poetry. Who are your favorites? What periods do you like? Do you have particular translators/sinologists/critics who you believe to be good curators? What are you interested in reading?
I'm reading Du Fu right now, I *almost* see what people mean about how great he is but I think I'm a little too caught up in the immediate experience of reading to really take stock of the whole, once I'm done I'll be able to look at him with more clarity.
But it's obvious enough that he has the sense of scale/humor that is the seed of all genius. Came here to bring this image I found somewhere on twitter of jelly thing Ted (IHNMAIMS)
I personally find this shit absolutely fucking hilarious. The average person is unironically too low IQ to read the Bible. All the amount of parables, allegories, metaphors, and allusions are literally too high-brow for most Christians to comprehend the actual meanings within the scripture. Post authors with punchable faces Sup /lit/
Looking for solid book suggestions that actually dig into Siberia without being a random blabberfest everything else is appreciated! with substance, whether fiction, non-fiction This book is irrefutable, I'd like to see arguments against its main thesis >The philosopher for teenage edge lords and neo-nazis.
Why? What happened? >Henry James? That's not literature. Do you guys know of any cultures with Hyperborean-esque legends or myths that would corroborate the Greek story of Hyperborea? Legends of solar-worshipping people from the far north, etc. Short but extraordinary, not one word wasted. Man what the FUCK is going on? i remember playing enderal and loving it and this just came in
has anyone else read this? one a these. does anyone have the house on the borderland one? When will someone buy and reupload one of (cosmoetica) Dan Schneider's books so the rest of us can critique it?
https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0794FTXM3/allbooks?ingress=0&visitId=7570bde2-fdcc-4d15-8f35-8c6c6bd38e50&ref_=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_5
I like him as a critic, all of the classic books he recommended seemed good to me. On the other hand it feels like he's overhyping his own books and his wife's books. >is a raging alcohol in your path
How am I supposed to take any of his writing to heart? What books do World Controllers read (or don't read)? I thought that Moby Dick was a classic and serious great American novel about whales. What a shame that it's just woke bullshit. Unbelievable. Are there any books with a similar plot and characters ? What does /lit/ think about Chevengur? In our modern culture, many people tend to avoid suffering as much as possible, instead always seeking happiness for it's own sake, but who can blame them -- everyone wants to be happy after all.
I'm looking for books offering a different perspective and perhaps even promoting the beneficial effects of suffering. Are there any Brazilian books that take place in 1970s Sao Paulo?
Please no meme answers. >dear, aids is not real, it's just government propaganda to oppress the gay man! long live the anus!
>*dies of aids*
so much for modern "philosophers" There's nothing better than crawling into bed with a nice Trollope Please recommend a biography of a dilettante. Either someone who succeeds in spite of this tendency or outgrows it. Major Major is literally me What the fuck, it's just a love story
Spoilers in my next post but I'm massively disappointed Is there any reason why we exist as copies according to Plato's theory of forms? Like why the hell are we here? Is there any sense? I'm interested in the psychology that drives those of us who write. Most writers I meet don't even "like" writing, it's a compulsive need. Where as others might be gluttons, or enjoy some sport or hobby, writers seem to write because it's innate to them and they have to do it.
They almost always, without fail, seem miserable on top of this. It's true of your average no name writer, and all the greats; the most treasured writers seem to increase in quality in direct proportion to their misery or bleakness. Dostoevsky was better than Tolstoy, and it's because he was "le sad."
What makes us like this? Why does this strange mix of self awareness and melancholy, even patheticness, seem to produce such generative, beautiful lines of work coming out of a person?
Maybe you don't agree, I'd like to hear that too. What is behind the psychology of the "writer?" Dilemma: you can support yourself solely from your work as a professional book critic, but you have to live with teeth like this. Would you? 
