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>usually when we talk about martial art effectiveness, we exclude those types of outside variables dumbass
Not in this thread you fucking retard, try reading more than just your own shitty posts and knock it off with your faggy defeatist bullshit. You don't initiate a clinch in a real fight unless you're really fucking secure & aware.
>people without any grappling experience don't just "stand up" against people even with a moderate amount of grappling experience
Except they fucking do all the time. Even Gordon Ryan has admitted this shit. I am specifically speaking about BJJ so dont even try your faggot pivot to grappling in general bitch. The thread has already established that grappling has its time/place/distance. But trying to use submission techniques in an unsure environment is one of the dumbest fucking things you can do.
>inb4 well all martial arts are equally useless and we only talk about 1v1 blah blah blah
Shut the fuck up and go back to one of the combat sports threads if you're just going to be a whiny defeatist little bitch. Fuck i hate privileged prissy pussies like you. So fucking obvious you've never defended your life. Just "oop oh well this would be useless, just get a gun" like you're always going to be able to depend on that or that it's reasonable to immediately resort to that time. Fucking kys.

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