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1. 0 means the difference is nothing.
2. You don't even need an instrument, its empirical, you can hold nothing directly by just opening your hand and releasing everything else.

>0 is a mathematical abstraction made specifically to numerically distinguish between something and nothing
I accept your concession, you do need a specific value to distinguish nothing from other things even though you worded it poorly and should have said between something else and nothing since nothing is the default.

> it's an abstract quantity with no qualitative property behind it,
Its not just quantitative, we have been discussing other qualities of nothing besides just value, the value only validates the necessity of nothing, because as you said reality isn't made of numbers, its made of things like thing 1, thing 2, the rest of the things, and nothing else.

>you make a measurement you measure something
No, you don't have to measure something else, just like you don't have to hold something else, you can always just put nothing on the scale or hold nothing in your hand.

> your scale says 0 doesn't mean there isn't anything there,
No, but the fact that your scale says 0 when there is nothing else there (other than the scale of course) shows that the scale is capable of measuring the value of nothing by sensing only the value of itself.

>nothing opposite of something... no zero values in reality
Nothing is not the exact opposite of something, it is the smallest possible somethingness, and its value is the default smallest possible value of anything and everything because if you are holding nothing, you are holding {0}: 0 apples, 0 oranges, 0 bananas, etc.

> there will always be something there
Yes because even nothing is something, the smallest possible amount of anything that can be anywhere, if you are touching something directly, it is only because nothing is in between you and the other thing.

If there was always something else, it would be impossible to be you.

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