>>38524174
>>38524174
>Personally, I view trans women as their own separate thing from cis women, and the men who have sex with them, imo, are attracted to a combination of male and female characteristics, hence why I believe men who have sex with trans women to be bi.

The first point you've made here would seem to militate against the second one? personally I don't disagree with anything you've said here other than this point that men who would fuck a tranny are bi. Trannies are indeed their own thing, and the sooner they start agreeing to that the sooner the rest of society will accept them.

Trying to force themselves into female social structures, their history and struggles, their experiences, trying to co opt all that as their own has been an utter disaster for their community. So too has it been a disaster to try and bully and infiltrate their way into pre existing relationship and sexual relations structures. The whole "if you don't like me it's just because you're transphobic" debacle. There needs to be a recognized fourth option outside of gay, straight, bi when considering attraction to trannies.

They are indeed their own thing. And there needs to be a new thing to describe and quantify attraction to them. The current terminology around attraction to males, attraction to females, straight or gay was codified around the existence of (I hate to use this term) cis men and cis women. It doesn't fit trannies, or trannies don't fit the established terminology. It's a shame trans sexual already exists and has negative connotations or it would be perfect

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