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The fans want more, but what could it really expend upon? Cyn is defeated and is in Uzi's tail, so it can't really be about her. I refuse to believe that these two haven't fucked. Even as serious as Batman is, there's no way he can always resist Wonder Woman's temptations. What did you think of this show? This is from all the way back in 1990.
https://youtu.be/rSk-uLvgwk0 Post redesigns of co characters. Either that you like, dislike or find interesting. I'd day fanmade but depends I guess. https://comicbookmovie.com/teen-titans/teen-titans-characters-that-will-make-up-live-action-movie-team-reportedly-revealed-a215252
Cast them. Meanwhile, in another universe... ITT: Post the last thing you see before you get raped >Wake up
>Remember we’ll never get a DCSHG Holiday Special
>Christmas ruined If Rigby was a true friend he would have told Mordecai to give up on this street skank Best Riley design to date >cute anime girl in a Tolkien setting
>everyone hates it and it bombs in theaters
I just caught the last showing of it and liked it decently enough for what it was. For all the talk of it being le woke, the main girl wins almost every conflict through trickery and relying on other Rohirrim If it was so popular, why didn't many other toddler shows have school as a regular focus? Bear in the Big Blue House, Blue's Clues, Rolie Polie Olie, PB&J Otter, Dora the Explorer, Stanley, etc. either never had school or they had school, but only in a few episodes and I don't even recall any of them having characters go to an elementary school, unlike Arthur First genuinely good episode this season. Japanese people are seeing the Megaman cartoon for the first time T'was the nightmare before Christmas edition Isn’t it funny how a Chinese video game company has made squirrel girl the most popular she has ever been in our entire history something that Marvel could never do >Provide References for all requested characters and keep them to one image/post
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Previous thread: >>146875308 Stolas should have smacked her for disrespecting him like that. If i was Stolas i would make Loona my daughter and leave this ungrateful brat to her mother and uncle. Would you subscribe to her OnlyFans, join her goon army and buy her feet pics? I'm just more confused than anything. This either means PG's gonna reclaim the Karen Starr name or simply just use/borrow it (which would also imply that this Power Girl is an impostor and the real one is still out there). In any case, this, along with the new costume and new job as a business owner, looks like DC saying "look, we listened and we're fixing everything you told us to fix"...but not really.
Even if she goes back to being Karen Starr, Leah Williams is still on the book, which means her personality-such as it is-will remain the same. And the business she'll run won't be her own, her costume will just be a pale imitation of the classic one, Streaky will still be her cat and she'll still be in Metropolis with a bunch of quirky young adults for her supporting cast. It's all superficial, a lateral step instead of a step forward.
This could also just be Leah setting up the pieces for someone who actually knows something about Power Girl to pick up when/if she finally leaves, although it's best this run stays forgotten. Greetings /co/, I made the promise to storytime this fun Marvel Christmas special, it's quite the charming little comic so let's read and have some fun! Have you read any webcomics lately? Unironically, what causes this? This guy showed up for one issue of Deadpool in '97 to mess with Wade for fun and promised him it'd be the beginning of a beautiful friendship. He hasn't been since or mentioned since. why doesn't he just buy food? Why does this cartoon exist?
https://youtu.be/JY4p9f25WUk Imagine the fucking smell the christmas tree comes down in march edition
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>>146877429 >LAST WEEK IN CAROL
Avengers Academy #26
Avengers United #61
>THIS WEEK IN CAROL
Ultraman X Avengers #3
Avengers Academy #27
Avengers United #62
Timeslide #1
Last week's thread: >>146794922 This is Halo
She is a gender fluid muslim lesbian So /co/, what is your opinion on Mrs. Claus? Yay or Nay. What did Morty see in this bitch? Will he be in Smiling Friends S3? or is he blacklisted from the industry like Hotdiggedydemon > Jesper makes a whole town a paradise, he also did most of the heavylifting considering he was the one sneaking into gorillions of houses at night
> Everyone is happy, educated, and friendly with each other
> "Wtf Jesper... you had... A PERSONAL AGENDA in all the helpful things you did?! How dare you... so uncool.
What? I literally don't understand why were they so mad? His actions saved the town, why he fuck were they mad for that he had a personal stake in helping the town? He was essentially just doing his job anyway. My favs were
>Ultimate Spider-Man
Ultimate is what modern Spider-Man should be. Out of all the books, this one made me happy like a kid on Christmas
>We Called Them Giants
Kieron Gillan released a new graphic novel and it's really good. Read it blind and I'd recommend it that way.
>Absolute Wonder Woman
The best of the Absolute line imo. A perfect blend of Badass and CUUUUUUUUUTE
>Fantastic Four
Ryan North's run is slowly becoming one of my absolute favorites. It's everything I wanted from modern F4 Megatron did nothing wrong. Change my mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKp5A9j06fo
What do you think about Emmet Otter? Let's see what Santa brought you!
And what are you reading over the holidays?
Bonus points for festively decorated shelves.
As always:
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https://getcomics.info/ Courage will be removed from Max on Valentines Day > “you can’t just have us animate interracial teen sex, there has to be a plot too”
> “…sperm…” I’m just noticing now this show uses digital coloring rather than cels just by the subdue and bright colors the show uses.
Plus there’s no cels sold of the show. How does it hold up? I rewatched the pilot two parter and it's a pretty solid intro, but how does the rest fare? I would a Kaminoan, especially that doctor lady from Bad Batch Dem circles T_T
https://youtu.be/S0-coASIjkQ?si=kw1MyMEO2iFUX8bM TRANSFORMERS IN SPACE
TRANSFORMERS IN SPACE
TRANSFORMERS IN SPACE
TRANSFORMERS IN SPACE
TRANSFORMERS IN SPACE And what it would lead to? No one is ever really gone. Merry Christmas /co/ have you donated to the less fortunate? Hercules is an underrated movie Anyone read this? It's really good. This is the best thing Disney has ever made >Always love Cartoon Network for allowing so many creative freedom over other studios since the 90s
>Inspired by this you create animated shorts on Newgrounds and a Webcomic and AS and CN Studios notice you
>Work on The Venture Brothers and finds that many creators and artist are interested on Anime and Videogames
>Decide to be part of the new wave of creators of CN after the renaissance and choose Rebbeca Sugar to be part of the new wave
>Rebbeca's show gets picked up and you and your buddies learn the process of running a show
>SU's sucess allows you to create your own show and pitch it, they decide to to pick it up but have to hold it and air it on TV due Orange Man hating CNN.
>Your show is filled as a love letter to CN ,WB,Hanna Barbera and Animation as awhole with multiple crossovers trought the run
>AT&T decides to cancel it along with merchandise, comics, more crossovers and spin-off plans
>Discovery decides to remove it as part of their tax off.
>Discovery CEO indirectly calls your show garbage that can be replaced.
>Discovery removes a videogame based on your shows alongside 2 games based on your wife's show
>Have to go to Disney or a new gig and doing VA on indie stuff while Disney probably everytime tells you "no" everytime you try to put the same crossover stuff with Disney IPs on your new show with the note "TOO MANY IP".
Poor Ian JQ I want to celebrate christmas in Trollberg Right is Eddie Fitzgerald's layout, left is Kennedy's animation. I know there's more detail in the layout but it still looks odd. Either way, after Tiny Toons, they kind of removed the layout department for Animaniacs. Was much lost? What is Batman's stance on underage (below 16 even) criminals who murder, torture, rape, etc?
Does he see them as lost causes or could they still be rehabilitated?
Yes, these are the Cosby Kid's in pic related You did like her show, right? Could Dipper x Pacifica have worked in Gravity Falls? Why or why not? Well /co/, whats the verdict? I have to say, it's been hit or miss with Aardman since Arthur Christmas (the 4th W & G short was BAAAD, and Day of the Nugget or whatever was dogshit) This in my opinion was just ok. It started out strong buti didnt like the cop characters they didnt really add much, plus the Norbots were cute but kinda took the place of a clever plan from the villain and it wasnt as satisfying. Still better than Dawn of the nugget by a country mile. Goku has a hick accent.
Why doesn't Clark Kent?
He was a farm boy too.
It would help with him disguising his identity. Whenever Clark Kent becomes Superman, he can switch his accent to a general American accent.
It's what reporters do. They call it code switching. ITT: Christmas-related /co/ waifus. I fucking love Marvel Comics!! Come check some more of Joe Kubert's Tarzan
Missed two days cause of Christmas celebrations
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>>146875430 fuck it, leaking the Max & Ruby movie Nelvana is developing
https://litter.catbox.moe/qmv52a.mp4 The days grow colder, the nights grow longer. That means /co/ Christmas cheer is coming to town. Grab some cocoa, turn on the Christmas music, get comfy, and hang out with some /co/mrades as we share stories and get into the holiday spirit.
Make merry, have a joyfultime, share some stories, read some storytimes!
And don't miss SHEOL's Christmas stream! https://vaughn
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live/sheol_uk Tulip, The Perennial Flower Damn what did spiderman do to make this nigga that mad? Why is stretching almost always such a lame power >Protocol 10 will commence in 10 hours
What did he mean by this? I hate to sound like a broken record but I miss teen autistic x-23 Eddie Brock is better than Peter, Miles, Gwen, Ben, Kaine, and whoever the fuck else. He is the best. How did she know Whitey slow danced with his mom? Could Whitey or his mom not keep that shit to themselves? On which... GODDAMIT DC STOP WITH THE REDHEAD LOLI ARMS RACE WITH MARVEL! i dunno why it is, but comic strip musicals have really intrigued me recently:
https://youtu.be/PCOw9O_Dbyw?si=wC3WGHlWfRjSB39i
https://youtu.be/DnOCJ672TCE?si=vyUb_T9r8TtjstSq
(there’s like, very few of ‘em, too) >Put Blue Sky on the map
>leaves
>finds his own animation studio
>making huge bank through his studio
>leaves Blue Sky to rot and die
>while one failure doesn’t matter because they can always shit out sequels of their main moneymakers that can make a ton load of money
Fucking traitor You like character characters with four fingers or 5? DREAMS DIE
SANTA IS FAKE
BUT STUDENT DEBT IS REAL THE SITE WILL BE UPDATING EVERY DAY FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS!
Kat gets to work. Face it anon you're outnumbered, there is three of us and only one of you >Doctor Doom wants to conquer the Multiverse in order to save it and has a team of evil Avengers variants working for him.
>The Scarlet Witch is working for Doom because she wants to redeem herself and believes he is the only one who can save the Multiverse.
>The Multiverse is dying due to Doctor Strange and his variants causing incursions, and Strange is obsessed with preventing its destruction.
>Chris Evans is playing a time-displaced post-Endgame Steve Rogers who joins the fight amid his mission to return the Infinity Stones, and he will use the codename “Nomad”.
>Hayley Atwell is playing the Captain Carter featured in the What If…? animated series.
>Franklin Richards will have a pivotal role due to his power to travel between universes, and casting is underway for a 14-year-old actor to play him.
>The leads are Doctor Doom, Spider-Man, Captain America/Sam Wilson, Nomad/Steve Rogers, Doctor Strange, Scarlet Witch and Reed Richards.
>Thor, Hulk, Ant-Man, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Winter Soldier, Wong, Yelena Belova, Sue Storm, Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm will definitely appear.
>Black Panther/Shuri, Monica Rambeau, America Chavez, Kate Bishop, Stature, Ironheart, Wiccan, Red Guardian, U.S. Agent, Ghost, War Machine, She-Hulk, Vision and Wonder Man will likely appear.
>Daredevil, Moon Knight, Namor, the Eternals, Wasp, Blade, Werewolf by Night, Elsa Bloodstone and Man-Thing won’t appear at all.
>Ana de Armas is in talks to play one of Doom’s enforcers.
>Sadie Sink is being eyed to play MCU Jean Grey, who will be introduced alongside a couple of other mutants ahead of the X-Men film reboot in 2027. >BUT I'M A CREEP! I'M A WEIRDOOOOO Sooooooo is it a Christmas movie or a Halloween movie? Props to the big man. Worship at the hi-viz altar. does /co/ like Kid Paddle? >Benjamin Stilton has a new love interest crush name Rosa
Pandora BTFO What the fuck was his problem? Are you a Hal or a Kyle kinda guy? I managed to see a few episodes from the leaks and I'm confused as to why /co/ hates it. This is one of the few revivals that actually gets it right...well, mostly. It's more dialogue based than the original and the new soundtrack isn't anything crazy, but the animation has a lot of energy to it, Billy West still does a solid R&S, and it's actually pretty funny. And you'd think there'd be an added edge with Comedy Central involved...nope! Some mild swearing, and that's it.
Seriously, what am I missing? How many Christmases have they gone through now? should Marvel Studios move on to a separate continuity from the MCU? wtf was the point of this scene It's time to don our gay apparel, /co/ We know they're capable of eating things and each other (Mosquitoast and Cheespider) but at the same time they're all friend with each other? Do you think they wait for the older ones to want to die before eating tj? So Jinx can pretty much get away with everything, but the second she does those puppy eyes, she pretty much says her opponent you should feel bad for hitting a woman and throw immediately the fight.
Is this the most OP strategy ever? Behold, punt /co/ anons, gaze in horror at the sight of my gelatinous form! what did they mean by this Post cartoon characters in cosplay. Since yesterday's X-Men Timeslide book made this Page from Timeless #1 Canon.
Can someone interpret and predict what is going to happen from here?
>Mary Jane is becoming Spider-Woman since Peter will Die And Possibly the fact that he is going to hell to beat mephisto up close and personal with help.
>A Spider-Man is moving to LA and Hollywood, aka The Son without a Father
>Black Panther is dying or Bast freed T'Challa because of the Vampirism so he finds a cure, and She choses Storm or maybe Felicia to be the new Black Panther, and she is alongside Mary Jane in said pic.
>Bucky Shoots Captain America, but this also may be Stevil who's back as the new Flag Slasher. Cassandra Cain walks autistically smug into your room and tells you to help her get changed into her tight Batgirl costume.
How do you react? When it comes to these two and Hey Arnold! (the three Nicktoons that got revival movies/specials), how would you rank them in terms of how successful they were when they were on back in the day? And how would you rank them from largest to smallest online community? Christmas is finally coming, so let have a new thread.... maybe the last of the year depending how long it last. >A bi-, why are we trying to cash a bill err? When did family guy fall off? >"Wonder Woman believes in you." How did elves go from majestic tall fantasy creatures to this >Absolute Batman is 6-fucking-6
Secret identity? No, Batman is definitely the 6'6" jacked-as-fuck genius who works for the city. It could literally not be anyone else. Re-watching the Primal Theory has made me realize that Charles is not only a complete embarrassment to the world of science but he's also insane and stupid
>CANT YOU SEE DARLINGTON?! OUR GUNS CANT OUTMATCH HIS SPEED! OUR GUNS ARE WORTHLESS AGAINST THIS CANNIBAL MANIAC
>Im pretty sure if I time my shot just right I could kill the bastard right here and...
>OBVIOUSLY WE'RE AT A GENETIC DISADVANTAGE HERE! THIS PROVES MY THEORY THAT WE'RE NO DIFFERENT THEN THE SAVAGE THAT'S TRYING TO KILL US
No really. Why didnt they just keep trying to shoot him? Are they stupid? >You’ve been working in the animation industry since the 90s
>working on other people’s shows for almost three decades
>Tried pitching pilots and didn’t get greenlit
>insert some of his characters and character archetypes in other people’s shows
>after two decades you finally get your own cartoon
>become highly successful
>throws all of his dream career, and his marriage away over mediocre pussy.
How can creatives be so incompetent with such a lucky talent. There are other creatives starving for their stuff to get off the ground just to see this guy get that opportunity then burn it all to flames.
There really should be an autobiography on this guy. Ho-Ho-Ho! Merry Christmas, How's Your Webcomic!
FAQ
>How do I make a comic?
https://blambot.com/pages/comic-script-basics
https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/how-to-storyboard-basic-guides-for-aspiring-artists--cms-30962
https://www.clipstudio.net/how-to-draw/archives/160963
https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/create-a-comic-how-to-plan-and-lay-out-your-comic--cms-24179
>What if I can’t draw?
https://www.clipstudio.net/how-to-draw/archives/160863
https://www.archisoup.com/architecture-line-types-and-weights
https://www.creativecomicart.com/basics-part-1.html
https://www.creativebloq.com/advice/how-to-colour-comics
https://jaejohns.com/drawing-backgrounds/
>What’s the best site to upload to?
https://www.domestika.org/en/blog/4757-6-free-websites-to-publish-your-own-comic-online
https://comicfury.com/
https://globalcomix.com/
https://www.theduckwebcomics.com/
>How do I get more people to read my comic?
https://www.thingsinsquares.com/blog/how-to-optimize-comics-for-google-search/
https://leetoo.net/how-to-promote-and-drive-traffic-to-your-webcomic/
https://html.com/blog/50-resources-start-making-a-webcomic/
>Thread Question
What are your webcomic characters doing to celebrate the festivities?
>Thread Challenge
Draw your character celebrating Christmas
>Bonus Question
How's Your Christmas? >I smell something
>Uh, we have been playing really hard
>Yeah
>Not you, you idiot….. It's coming from over here
>That locker
>Yeah!
>Look! It's the chubby boy
>Ah. It smells like a spy
>.......You guys need a publicist? I can make you big The Incredible World of DiC, DIC Entertainment Corporation, DIC Audiovisuel, DIC Enterprises, DIC Animation City, DIC Entertainment L.P., DIC Productions, or simply DiC.
Let's talk about DiC and the wonderful characters that DiC gave us. I don't know who you are and I don't have to know, I still can be sure that you grew up with DiC.
Our childhoods would have been poorer without all the good DiC we got. I always ASSumed that he was brown-eyed. So this is one of things that Tobey Maguire's version got absolutely 100% right, at least for origin phase. (It fucking sucks that only The Snyder Fans are true fans of what they love otherwise by now there would be The Webshooter Cut of Sam Raimi's film or at leas All deleted scenes along with Alex Ross costume scenes. Instead of it being forever on YouTube only. Sony, unlike WB, actually loves to cater to the paying fans, that is why the re-released Morbeus back into theaters back then)
There can be full blown philosophical commentary as a justification of visual retcon, like Nikola Tesla's quote how he thought too much and his eyes became blue (probably inspiration for Dune book thing) but the other way around since after spider bite Peter becomes less and less of introvert constantly within himself and goes "back" to primal setting amplified by the super abilities.
But in any case, it is what it is : Original Peter Parker is/was blue eyed. WATCH OUT VERONICA HE'S GOING TO- holy fuck, this show for sure knows how to draw adult women Let's settle this once and for all. Did Fido actually mishear and misinterpret what Tim was saying, or was he intentionally lying to Olive in order to get her to the North Pole as per his earlier idea? Of course, his plan might be based on the fact he misheard Santa on the radio. What did you think of the latest episode? Clayface was in it he plays Xbox and confirms Mortal Kombat exists in the DCU >Watch a movie
>Loves it
>Finds out it's based off of a comic
>Reads it
>It's bad
>Play a game
>Loves it
>Finds out it's based off of a comic
>Reads it
>It's boring
>Watch a show
>Loves it
>Finds out it's based off of a comic
>Reads it
>It's nothing
Why does this keep happening? Day: 56
Volume: 5, Chapter: 13
Downfall
Previous thread: >>146885259 >"Korra, being the Avatar doesn't seem to be working out very well for you."
>"To be totally honest; it's been a complete fucking disaster ever since you left the compound."
>"Maybe you should do something else for a while, you know the Fire Palace is always looking for women like you to join the Kyoshi har- ahem, I mean Kyoshi Warriors." >What is this thread?
Every Wins'day at Win-O'-Clock we gather here and post links to the latest scans and rips of comic books.
Most links we uploaded ourselves, others we are sharing from elsewhere.
Some comics we've even purchased ourselves (but most we didn't).
If you'd like to help out, just ask and we would be delighted to tell you how.
Otherwise, be patient, be polite, and understand the simple concept behind these words: Not posted means not available yet.
>Where can I find old Win-O'-Threads?
http://desuarchive.org/co/search/subject/Official%20Win-O'-Thread/
http://boards.fireden.net/co/search/subject/Official%20Win-O'-Thread/
(Note: This finds the OP for old threads. If you want to search for comics in the archive, clear the subject field!)
>Where can I find downloads for other comics?
Warez forums/blogs, DDL-indexing search engines (like FilesLoop), torrent trackers (like 1337x) and other P2P networks (like DC++).
If a link has been posted on 4chan, you can search for it in the Desu archive (add "http*" to searches to return only posts with links).
If all else fails, just >buy it.
>Where can I buy comics?
http://www.amazon.com/
On the various publishers' webstores, and at your local comics shop.
>Where can I find an LCS?
http://www.comicshoplocator.com/
>Where can I find out when new comics are released?
http://www.comiclist.com/index.php
http://www.previewsworld.com
>How do I download from websites that only give me .exe files?
Untick the checkbox under the download button.
>How can I find this thread every week?
If you are using the inline extension go to http://4chan.org/co/official or use the option under "Filters & Post Hiding".
If you have 4chanX go to Settings > Filter > Subject and add the following line:
/Official Win-O'-Thread/;highlight
>And last but not least
For Christmas I hope we get some mango It's Christmas again and now that she's gotten canonized as a saint, it's time for a very special (exactly the same as always) storytime.
Per usual I have to bow out in about 4-5 hours, so hopefully someone can take over by then. >Official logline “In this epic animated adventure series, two young sisters are gifted with fantastical abilities. To save the planet from chaotic energy storms they must unravel the mystery of where they came from.“
>After posting our original report, we at Knight Edge Media were explicitly told by a different source that both twins are, in fact, the Avatar. Both will be shown entering the Avatar State in the first few episodes. The series’ overarching plot is how we got our first set of Avatar twins in the universe’s history (Roku’s non-Avatar brother aside). Do both have the spirit of Raava in them, or does one have the evil Vaatu? Can they both bend all four elements beyond Earth? Why did Korra originally reshape the world? These are the questions that are answered throughout the series.
>We have now learned that the series was created under the working title Aurora at Nickelodeon Animation. Outside the seven havens, there are wastelands that will be full of energy storms and show a flowing aurora in the sky. The original 2023 casting call also stated they were open to a single-voice actress voicing both Pavi and Nisha and be of South Asian/East Indian descent. Finally, the project is listed as being 26 episodes long, each approximately 22 minutes long. It’s unknown if this means season 1 will be a full 26 episodes (Like ATLA) or if it will be split up into two 13-episode parts (like Korra). However, 26 episodes will be made from the start of production, regardless of the show’s release schedule. Don’t expect much official information on the series until it is close to the release of the Avatar Aang movie in January 2026.
https://knightedgemedia.com/2024/12/avatar-seven-havens-twin-earth-avatar-series-will-initially-be-26-episodes-long/